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If you had to live in one NON WHITE country in the world...
Chief:
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virtuoso:
Ant he is raising the educational levels, raising the literacy levels these arent ill thought out policies a strong economies has to have a strong backbonein the form of the people having sufficient skills. We are still talking about a terrible minimum wage but it has risen slightly which can only be a good thing. We are taling about people that without that free health care, who would simply die. Morally to let them sufer would be totally unacceptable and improving the nations health can also only improve the economy. There has been so mcuh rampant corruption in venezeula, did you ask the people what it was like before chavez? they really did live under a brutal dictatorship before him. I am not saying he is perfect but I do think that it would be a really intriguing experience living there. He has changed the country immensely this idea that he is investing wrongly I just can't agree with he is investing in the people to bring about a better standard of life for them.
virtuoso:
Again I apologise for somehow mentioning your name when it was that dimwitted clown real american asking me lol.
Ant:
You[re speaking with certainty which is almost always WRONG. Stop talking in definitives.
A few things...
"Raising minimum wage can only be a good thing"
No it can't only be a good thing. Economic decisions always have "trade-offs." You need to stop thinking that every liberal idea is good, and every conservative idea is bad. There are bad things that happen when you raise minimum wage. I'm 90% sure you will always refuse to believe this, but it is true. You really should do some research, because I'm also 90% sure that you never took anytime to research this possibility.
"he is raising education levels, raising literacy levels"
Yeah, supposedly this is true. But so what? Look, every politician pushes good reforms and bad ones. Big deal, I'm unimpressed. He is also doing many things that are bad for his country. Like nationalizing industry.
"it would be intriguing to live in venezuela"
it would be interesting to live in any country. But it really annoys me that you seem to think venezuela is this liberal paradise. It is NOT. Most of the country is extremely poor. There is tons of crime. In general you can't go out once the sun goes down. People are scared to even let their kids go out past 6-8 o'clock. There is still tons of corruption. The business climate is getting worse not better. The banking system sucks. The only thing venezuela has going for it, is tons and tons of beautiful women, and lots of natural resources
Finally, don't talk about what a strong economy has to have, because you a) don't understand economics and b) don't care to educate yourself enough to clearly understanding economic thinking. You only want to hear the side that confirms your existing worldview, just like Cwalker loves stuff that confirms his worldview. All chavez is doing, is exploiting natural resource wealth to make himself look good. Anyone that wants to become president for life in Venezuela could do the same thing. That being, take oil revenues, and spend spend spend spend spend, so you look like a savior. Big deal.
In the end, socialist policies are destined to fail. They ignore economic realities, just like you do.
Here's a good place to start if you want to learn ecomics... Read Greg Mankiws blog. He's a harvard professor that wrote the most used book on economics.
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/
Granted, a blog isn't a true education. So I'd also recommend his textbooks, and there are plenty of other good economic books that help you learn both sides. If I get some time too, I'll dig out the Foreign Policy article I recently read on Chavez.
virtuoso:
Your speaking in definites which is wrong completely wrong I had to study a series of economics modules during my first year of uni, economics was also encompassed within some parts of the business studies course I took at college. It is bemusing that you defend the right to pay people as literal slaves, he hasnt changed the minimum wage beyond all recognition he has made it slightly more bearable, the minimum wage is still extremely poor though. You make these ill thought suggestions that economists don't see minimum wages as a positive, that is just completely false and misleading. I will reemphasise what I have said before when the minimum wage was finally introduced over here in england and the rest of britain it was actually found to have a positive effect because it was increasing peoples disposable incomes. Business leaders who prior to the implementation of the minimum wage were warning that it would lead to mass unemployment, were made to look foolish when they changed their minds. I know that there is still a mass wave of crime in venezeula, heck you show me one nation within south america which isnt riddled with crime. I said the situation for the masses is improving and it is you may see steps like improving the literacy rate and giving free health care to the people as small insignificant things but to them these are massive steps forward a real improvement. Again this is a man who despite the constant smearing and clearly criminally poisonous propoganda by tthe neocon media like that fox news article illustrated all too well is a much more tolerant man than the previous dictatorships who acted as U.S bitches. Privatisation and nationalisation both have their good and bad points as you well know, whether they work depends upon the people running things.
Clearly this man is a threat to the U.S and he knows full well that the world needs the oil, he is using the revenues to better the life for his people. In many ways the country is heading down the opposite direction to the U.S because contray to what you suggest the Bush administration does not give a shit about americans, you tell that to the parents of songs and daughters which are dying on a daily basis in the middle east, you tell that to the katrina victims who were left hung out to dry, you tell that to the rescue workers at ground zero who have contracted terrible respiratory conditions, and then what does the government do? it falsifies the reports telling everyone that everything is fine the air perfectly safe., You tell that to the soldiers who have been exposed to the effect of depleted uranium poisoning, back when DU was first used they issued soldiers with manuals telling them about the deadly effects and how each area in which DU has been used should be disinfected. Soldiers are now going to war oblivious to the fact that their own weapons could probably kill them. I find it almost funny in an ironic sense that you should bring up Chavez in a disparaging light when compared to these psychotic criminals.
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