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The South Is Mad At Nas
Don Jacob:
all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
Diabolical:
--- Quote from: SGV on October 22, 2006, 12:26:35 AM ---This thread isn't about D4L or any of these groups. It's about "the South being mad at Nas." But, it swayed to a topic that found people using the stereotypical defenses to oppose the South: "So and so isn't Hip Hop." As if they're authorities and what is an isn't Hip Hop.
Like dude said earlier, all you dudes is doing is exactly what you WHINED ABOUT (and sometimes still do) when the East did it to the West Coast. Instead of looking at a region as a whole, you single out only the "popular" artists. Why not single out Chamillionaire? Why not single out T.I.?
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It is about these groups because maybe if you actually read the thread and watched the video you'd know that it's about the Dutty Boys because they're in the god damn video.
And 4/5 people represent the whole of the south? I'm not even going to comment on anything else after that.
ABN:
--- Quote from: ~EclipZe~ on October 20, 2006, 11:27:51 AM ---south cant match the east or west when it comes to quality artists.
--- End quote ---
LMAO
Grace,Z-Ro,Trae,Dougie D,Fat Pat,Hawk,K-Rino,Gangsta Nip,T.I.,Andre 3000,Big Boi,Killer Mike,The D.O.C.,MAC,ESG,Scarface,Gipp,Trick Daddy,Lil Wayne etc etc aren´t good enough? i could name another 30 dope rappers from the south and the west coast definently can´t match that. especially since all of these WC artists are from the south originally(Daz,Snoop,Nate etc).
jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on October 22, 2006, 04:02:38 AM ---all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
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All valid points. I was watching that VH1 Hip Hop Honors the other night. They're celebrating artists that made numerous memorable contributions to hip hop, and I'm sitting there thinking "From artists that have broke in say the last 5 years, who could I see being honored in this fashion?"
Honestly, very few have much if any chance in my opinion. Most mainstream artists don't have a whole lot of potential to grow - their ceiling isn't very high, they're pretty disposable. They might make a couple of hot songs, but they're not really bringing anything new to the table.
And they can dis Nas all they want, but his music will still be bumped and regarded as some of the best hip hop ever - long after their fad club shit is played the fuck out.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: Jrome Tha Visualiza on October 22, 2006, 10:16:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on October 22, 2006, 04:02:38 AM ---all i know is
in 10 years people will still be talking about Illmatic, It was Written, and Stillmatic in higher regards than the music of today
and in 10 years most people won't even remember 95% of the artist's names from all the club-hit-de-joirs out there today
so again, nas has more of a right to speak on the current state of hip hop then some black forrest gumps,lol
i don't care how hot your music is NOW , imo it's how how hot your music remains
can someone name some songs average songs that were hot 10 years ago? and if they can , how well they stand up today?
ex:
"i wish" skee lo...........tight song back in the day right? put it on now what would happen
imagine having this argument 10 years ago with west coast fans and Rakim heads
'oh rakim ain't put out nothin importnat in years , everyone points to paid in full, but that stuffs OLD, what is he doing now?"
^ LOL
whatever....all i know is the numbers speak for themselves % wise, hip hop's numbers are down in sales figures, and it's falling harder then ever. hip hop 2006 , the heir to 80's hair metal
--- End quote ---
All valid points. I was watching that VH1 Hip Hop Honors the other night. They're celebrating artists that made numerous memorable contributions to hip hop, and I'm sitting there thinking "From artists that have broke in say the last 5 years, who could I see being honored in this fashion?"
Honestly, very few have much if any chance in my opinion. Most mainstream artists don't have a whole lot of potential to grow - their ceiling isn't very high, they're pretty disposable. They might make a couple of hot songs, but they're not really bringing anything new to the table.
And they can dis Nas all they want, but his music will still be bumped and regarded as some of the best hip hop ever - long after their fad club shit is played the fuck out.
--- End quote ---
The thing is, it's not as if there wasn't a lot of club music with limited depth back then, either. I mean...whenever anyone talks about the 90s, it's always the same group of albums - "The Chronic", "Doggystyle", "Illmatic", "36 Chambers", "Ready To Die", "E 1999 Eternal", "All Eyez On Me", etc. Yeah, they're all classics that are still bumped and still talked about today. But they do not represent the quality of the majority of what came out in the 90s. Look at The Luniz - "I Got 5 On It" was pretty much THE hottest club joint of '95-'96, but does anyone except West Coast heads remember them now? Anyone remember when you couldn't go anywhere without hearing "Gangsta Lean" by D.R.S.? Volume-10 with "Pistol Grip Pump"? Those cats ain't remembered at all today. Shit, the G-Funk era as a whole was pretty much disposable - look at all the LBC groups like The Twinz and the Dove Shack and Foesum that came out in the mid-90s, had minor hits on the radio, and have since been forgotten. Who in the West that was at the top of the charts in the early- to mid-90s is remembered today except for Dre, Cube, Eazy, Snoop, and Pac? (and remember, this ain't West Coast fans I'm talking bout)
The one thing I will say is that classic albums are becoming harder and harder to find. Like Phonte has said many times, this generation hasn't had an "Illmatic" yet. But there are still plenty of memorable artists from the last 5 years who WILL be remembered. 50 Cent will be remembered, whether y'all like it or not (the rest of G-Unit and Game, on the other hand...). So will Kanye, Luda, Eminem (a lil more than 5 years, but still close), and even cats most of us hate like Nelly and BEP. The underground has produced plenty of dope, memorable artists as well, like Mos Def and Talib and now Little Brother. And then of course, there have been plenty of artists that were hot in the 90s and have remained hot (or in some cases gotten BETTER) today, like Jigga, Snoop, Outkast, Common, The Roots, etc.
So don't worry, the Hip-Hop Honors will have people to call on stage in another 10 years.
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