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Did God create sin?
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Dubz on October 23, 2006, 06:18:24 PM ---religions the root of all evil.
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See, I used to feel that way, but I wouldn't go that far.
On a small scale, it's a good thing. I know a few people that were living really bad. They were either gonna wind up in jail or dead in a matter of years, simple as that.
They tried rehab, shrinks, medication, nothing worked. They would temporarily stop, but those urges for self-destruction kept making them relapse.
They started reading the Bible, praying, etc. and they've made complete 180 degree turns in their lives. It's amazing how they were doomed at one point and now they've cleaned up their act. They claim God is working in their lives.
Now, I've never experienced this, personally, but I can't deny that the impact of religion on these people's lives IS real.
That's on a personal level. On the large scale, with churches, organizations, and some evangelists, I'm very skeptical of them. It's funny how many religious organizations and ministers are caught up with fraud and tax evasion, etc. etc. How they always have something to sell & a scheme to make money. They usually incite religious hatred towards other religions as well in order to gain more supporters.
Organized religion, for the most part, is a scam in my opinion. If you find God in your life, it's suppose to be a personal relationship. You don't need a pastor to tell you shit.
Dubz:
--- Quote from: Sikotic: Mr. Money In The Bank on October 23, 2006, 06:36:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dubz on October 23, 2006, 06:18:24 PM ---religions the root of all evil.
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See, I used to feel that way, but I wouldn't go that far.
On a small scale, it's a good thing. I know a few people that were living really bad. They were either gonna wind up in jail or dead in a matter of years, simple as that.
They tried rehab, shrinks, medication, nothing worked. They would temporarily stop, but those urges for self-destruction kept making them relapse.
They started reading the Bible, praying, etc. and they've made complete 180 degree turns in their lives. It's amazing how they were doomed at one point and now they've cleaned up their act. They claim God is working in their lives.
Now, I've never experienced this, personally, but I can't deny that the impact of religion on these people's lives IS real.
That's on a personal level. On the large scale, with churches, organizations, and some evangelists, I'm very skeptical of them. It's funny how many religious organizations and ministers are caught up with fraud and tax evasion, etc. etc. How they always have something to sell & a scheme to make money. They usually incite religious hatred towards other religions as well in order to gain more supporters.
Organized religion, for the most part, is a scam in my opinion. If you find God in your life, it's suppose to be a personal relationship. You don't need a pastor to tell you shit.
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best way ive ever heard it put.
i was bein too broad in what i was saying. if it 'saves' someone, then religion can be very beneficial. its the religious leaders who are bad. misinterpretation of faiths starts with them, which leads to wars. they also assist in the use of religion for governmental advantage at times which is not a good thing at all, and they milk followers out of their cash. at least thats how i see it.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Dubz on October 23, 2006, 07:05:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic: Mr. Money In The Bank on October 23, 2006, 06:36:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dubz on October 23, 2006, 06:18:24 PM ---religions the root of all evil.
--- End quote ---
See, I used to feel that way, but I wouldn't go that far.
On a small scale, it's a good thing. I know a few people that were living really bad. They were either gonna wind up in jail or dead in a matter of years, simple as that.
They tried rehab, shrinks, medication, nothing worked. They would temporarily stop, but those urges for self-destruction kept making them relapse.
They started reading the Bible, praying, etc. and they've made complete 180 degree turns in their lives. It's amazing how they were doomed at one point and now they've cleaned up their act. They claim God is working in their lives.
Now, I've never experienced this, personally, but I can't deny that the impact of religion on these people's lives IS real.
That's on a personal level. On the large scale, with churches, organizations, and some evangelists, I'm very skeptical of them. It's funny how many religious organizations and ministers are caught up with fraud and tax evasion, etc. etc. How they always have something to sell & a scheme to make money. They usually incite religious hatred towards other religions as well in order to gain more supporters.
Organized religion, for the most part, is a scam in my opinion. If you find God in your life, it's suppose to be a personal relationship. You don't need a pastor to tell you shit.
--- End quote ---
best way ive ever heard it put.
i was bein too broad in what i was saying. if it 'saves' someone, then religion can be very beneficial. its the religious leaders who are bad. misinterpretation of faiths starts with them, which leads to wars. they also assist in the use of religion for governmental advantage at times which is not a good thing at all, and they milk followers out of their cash. at least thats how i see it.
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Exactly!
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Sikotic: Mr. Money In The Bank on October 20, 2006, 12:43:33 AM ---I've been arguing this with my family for the past 3 hours.
Since, according to the Bible or whatever religious text you subscribe to, God is the creator of ALL things. Does that mean he created sin/evil? But I thought he was a God of love?
I'm saying that this is a contradiction in the concept of God. My family take the ignorant route and say that I can't understand what they understand because they have faith and I don't yadda yadda yadda.
So discuss.
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God created all things and all conditions, no Creator but God. God created the sun, no Creator but God. God created the moon, no Creator but God. God created the rain, no Creator but God. God changes the form of rain, and makes ice, sleet, snow, fog, mist, hail. God is the Creator of all conditions, happiness, sadness, no Creator but God.
God created the condition of sin, no Creator but God. If you want to have your sins forgiven you can go to none other but God, for he created the condition of sin, no Creator but God. This is the straight path of Islam. Man needs no intercessor between him and his Creator, that is the true religion, right and straight, regardless of it's name and language.
Sikotic™:
^ Makes perfect sense to me as well.
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