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Obama 08'?
Trauma-san:
--- Quote from: pc8381 on October 25, 2006, 10:39:42 PM ---let's worry about having democratics controlling the senate and house...first...then we'll talk about him being president.
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... not going to happen.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on October 25, 2006, 10:23:28 PM ---
Othere examples of stupid shit you said. "Maybe he'll help africa". Why the fuck would he help africa? Just because he's black? That's the most rediculous shit I've ever heard.
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It is quite logical to think that a black man from Kenya would be the most likely candidate to help Africa. It makes no sense for you to deny that. Ask any African if they would like to see Obama win, or if they'd like another redneck cowboy like Bush in office.
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on October 25, 2006, 10:23:28 PM ---
Here's something that will blow your mind, if you ever actually opened up and believed it. President Bush has pledged more financial support to africa than any other president ever elected... for instance, he just pledged 100 million dollars to help fight terrorism in east africa. He launched the 5billion dollar "Millineum challenge account"; he simply has done more for Africa than any other president, EVER.
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^^That's as backwards as saying that Bush has done more for Iraq than any other president because he's spent a trillion dollars there to "fight terrorism". But you believe that argument too, so your really a lost cause.
"Fight terrorism" is code word for using the military to protect economic interests in the region and expand global influence.
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on October 25, 2006, 10:23:28 PM ---
President Clinton, your hero, for instance stood by while millions were murdered in Rwanda and pulled out of Mogadishu after a small battle, then stayed away from Africa for the rest of his fucking presidency.
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President Clinton pulled out of Somalia because we had no business being there, and the Somalian's clearly didn't want us there. But you've listened to Hulk Hogan's theme music ("I am a real American, fight for the rights of every man") too many times in your childhood and you may have honestly believed that our whole purpose in Somalia was to feed the starving children, and that America is just trying to do so much good around the world and you can't understand why people don't know that and why they don't like America.
You arrogantly believe in your own benevolence, no matter how much hatred it continues to spread around the world.
Trauma-san:
President Bush has done more for Africa than any other man alive. Another example is his pledge of 15 billion dollars to fight Aids on the continent. Of course again you think he's evil, so you can't believe that even though it's a fact and clear to anybody with half a mind. That rules you out, bitch.
Primo:
Clinton feels he could of done more and I have heard him say that. The Clinton Global Initiative is his way of making up for it..In this modern world every country should have the same opportunities as others. Somebody should organize an African Economic Union to make sure funds are spent appropriatly in that region.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on October 26, 2006, 06:24:04 AM ---President Bush has done more for Africa than any other man alive. Another example is his pledge of 15 billion dollars to fight Aids on the continent. Of course again you think he's evil, so you can't believe that even though it's a fact and clear to anybody with half a mind. That rules you out, bitch.
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Sending aid doesn't solve anything. In fact alot of times, sending aid to a country can drive up inflation. Sometimes even, that aid money isn't really even aid money and it is actually a loan, and most African nations are 100's of billions of dollars in debt from IMF loans that they will never realistically be able to pay. That's why the Malaysian model put forth by their former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad has served as an example for other nations; what he did was he refused to accept loans from America and the IMF and his country has moved out of debt faster than any of the other Asian markets such as Indonesia who are like 150 billion dollars in debt and will never get out.
And as far as the AIDS thing, since leaving the presidency, Clinton has spent alot of his time working with Nelson Mandela to reduce the AIDS epidemic in Africa. You know who the most popular man in Africa is? It's Nelson Mandela. African's love Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela and Bill Clinton are very good friends. On the other hand, have you seen anything about what Nelson Mandela thinks of George Bush? He in fact called Bush's war a racist war, and accused Bush of driving the world towards another Holocaust.
Nelson Mandela knows how this whole "terrorism" thing is just a code word to serve an imperialist agenda because he used to be called a terrorist in his younger days. Dick Cheney even voted on a bill during that period to extend the aparthied situation in South Africa.
Here are some of Nelson Mandela's comments about Bush, and remember Nelson Mandela is the most popular leader of modern African history and if there was a vote today all Africa would vote him to be the leader of Africa.
Wikipedia Nelson Mandela on George W. Bush...
Mandela also insinuated that President Bush may have been motivated by racism in not following the UN and its secretary-general Kofi Annan on the issue of the War in Iraq. "Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white", Mandela said.[5]
He urged the people of the US to join massive protests against Mr. Bush and called on world leaders, especially those with vetoes in the UN Security Council, to oppose him. "What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."
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