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Atheist Sam Harris Destroys Conservative Talk Show Host in Debate
7even:
^He was just catching feelings, don't be so mean to him.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Ant on November 29, 2006, 11:05:54 PM ---Our historical knowledge of Jesus is not at all similiar to our historical understanding of Caesar. This is very obviously true. Historians can openly debate the validity of our understand of Caesar, but they cannot do the same with Jesus. If they could you wouldn't believe as you do. As any well-versed historian will show you the history of jesus as portrayed in the bible is highly suspect.
And your post was about the about the good religion does for the world. You call atheists "stupid." But aren't you "stupid" if you believe in something that obviously isn't true?
There are people who are deeply dependent on religion to live happily. These people will never change their minds. But anyone that is open minded can easily learn it isn't real. Just do a little research. Don't be so quick to call people dumb that know more than you. Before you criticize anyone you have to show they are wrong. It makes no sense when you call people "stupid" that see more clearly than you.
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I called you stupid because you clearly made up what wasn't there. There was nothing in my post about the good that religion does for the world. Read it again. Maybe you aren't stupid. Maybe you're just trying to be an asshole. Either way there is no merit in what you said. I called them stupid for not being able to see what they pride themselves on seeing; outside the box. It's like too many are so mad over the years for living in a world where they are pushed into believing in a God that they just wanto blame the religion and refuse to see when the same terrible things happen in non-religious countries or for non-religios reasons. When Muslims blow themselves up it's Islam's fault, but when the Viet Minh did it the same people just ignore it because they don't have an answer they want to present to the masses.
Anyone with an open mind can understand why it may not be real. it takes a closed mind to just assert it isn't. Prove to me that there is no God or spiritual force. I'm not telling you there is and I'm not trying to prove it. You on the other hand are so sure.
Caesar was a more extreme case since so much was written about him from so many sources. But what about Socrates? Most of the source info we have on him come from stories written by Plato, yet he isn't so suspect and it all has to do with the lack of anything supernatural. If one line in Plato's writing said something about Socrates flying or healing hte sick he'd be dismissed by atheists as fiction. If Caesar was said to have taken on an army of thousands alone with a flaming sword it'd be the same for him. If David Blaine of Chris Angel were around 2000 years ago and people wrote about what they did you'd think they were made up people. I'm not saying Jesus existed on Earth 2000 years ago. I can never know for sure. I'm saying you can never know for sure either.
virtuoso:
Lol oh dear you just highlighted your ignorance in one sentence when I said I do not pretend to have a great understanding I simply meant I am no expert but I understand them well enough to comment whereas you just said "without religion there would be no al queda" lol excuse me? the CIA created Al Queda, the CIA used Al Queda in the Kosovo conflict and your telling me without religion there would be no Al Queda ::)
Ant:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on November 30, 2006, 07:35:42 AM ---
Lol oh dear you just highlighted your ignorance in one sentence when I said I do not pretend to have a great understanding I simply meant I am no expert but I understand them well enough to comment whereas you just said "without religion there would be no al queda" lol excuse me? the CIA created Al Queda, the CIA used Al Queda in the Kosovo conflict and your telling me without religion there would be no Al Queda ::)
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please explain how al-queda can exist without the existence of religion?
virtuoso:
You said that Al Queda could not exist without religion, it was created artifically by the CIA, it's been used several times by the CIA it was used in recent wars. and your asking me how it could exist if it wasnt for religion :o. It exists because of the west! Type in Al Queda used in Kosovo congressional reports, or type in Osmagate, though wait.....I can't use the second one because that professor is lying despite citing the congessional report itself, so yeah find the congressional report itself.
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