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How Religions are Made
Merovingian:
In reality, the formed beings currently portrayed as both God and the Devil are creations of the human being, not vice versa. This can be shown quite simply by using as illustration the evolution of religion. Religion, as it turns out to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, is not a divine revelation from any god person who created everything and knows all. In actuality, religion is a construct that takes centuries and millennia to complete, beginning with various perceptions of the natural and supernatural worlds around us.
The first perception we have of the "supernatural hand of God" is elemental: the wind, the heat, the cold, the light, the dark, the rain, etc. Because the elements seem to have a mind of their own, human beings love to anthropomorphize them and give them human qualities. Thus, purely atmospheric phenomena come to be viewed as expressions of a humanlike entity with a mind of its own. We ascribe personality characteristics to the various entities we build up around the elements. For example, Zeus, the Greek sky-god father-figure, takes on a thunder-and-lighting personality.
This is how religion evolves. Although religous people may oppose this notion, all religion is basically mythology built upon limited human perceptions of what is in the universe, and not upon concrete and absolute truths. Absolute truth has no form; hence, whenever God is portrayed as having form, whether human or animal, male or female, black, white or polka-dotted, it is not the Truth.
In looking at religion, you'll find around the globe is a core mythos based on atmospheric elements and planetary bodies or other natural forces with a variety of forms they take on. In places where the skin of the inhabitants is red, the god may have red skin, and where the skin is white, the god may have white skin, and so on. It is completely arbitrary and not based on actual fact.
What happens is that different groups of people--and there have been very many cultures and groups on this planet--bring their distinct interpretations of deity to each other, whether through friendly merger or violent conquest, the latter of which seems to be the norm. During this merger process, the predominant people will force their particular, ethnocentric, egocentric and gender-centric interpretation of deity upon the conquered peoples. At the same time, they will also either make the conquered deities into lesser gods, godmen, heroes or patriarchs in their own pantheon, or they will turn the conquered deity or deities into demons and devils.
Z the laidback Virus:
Well, thank you. But isn't all of this rather obvious kicking-in-the-open-door information?
'Fear made the first gods'
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Merovingian on November 30, 2006, 04:42:19 PM ---
This is how religion evolves. Although religous people may oppose this notion, all religion is basically mythology built upon limited human perceptions of what is in the universe, and not upon concrete and absolute truths. Absolute truth has no form; hence, whenever God is portrayed as having form, whether human or animal, male or female, black, white or polka-dotted, it is not the Truth.
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Clearly this guy is Euro-centric and has never humbled himself enough to study Islam. Because he made sweeping claims about "all religions" when Islam agree's with him entirely that "Absolute truth has no form; hence, whenever God is portrayed as having form, whether human or animal, male or female, black, white or polka-dotted, it is not the Truth."
In Islam we learn the true concept of God which is explained clearly throughout the Qu'ran, check Surutal (Chapter) Iklas for example:
"Say Allah is The One
Allah the Eternal, Absolute
He Has No Son, Nor is He A Son
And THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM".
Merovingian:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on December 10, 2006, 03:56:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Merovingian on November 30, 2006, 04:42:19 PM ---
This is how religion evolves. Although religous people may oppose this notion, all religion is basically mythology built upon limited human perceptions of what is in the universe, and not upon concrete and absolute truths. Absolute truth has no form; hence, whenever God is portrayed as having form, whether human or animal, male or female, black, white or polka-dotted, it is not the Truth.
--- End quote ---
Clearly this guy is Euro-centric and has never humbled himself enough to study Islam. Because he made sweeping claims about "all religions" when Islam agree's with him entirely that "Absolute truth has no form; hence, whenever God is portrayed as having form, whether human or animal, male or female, black, white or polka-dotted, it is not the Truth."
In Islam we learn the true concept of God which is explained clearly throughout the Qu'ran, check Surutal (Chapter) Iklas for example:
"Say Allah is The One
Allah the Eternal, Absolute
He Has No Son, Nor is He A Son
And THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM".
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When referring to your God source as "HIM", you are giving it form hence, it is human. So, whenever God is being portrayed as having form, it is not the Truth. You've totally missed the point.
As far as GOD....it's just a title for the source of all things created. And yes, I do acknowledge this source. After all, I am this source. That sounds very blasphemous and anti-everything to the typical Christian or Muslim mind. Thing is, I don't submit to the Christian's or Muslim's version of this source that they call GOD and Allah. Nor do I accept all of the Bible and Quran. I'm spiritually based and don't accept anything concerning my soul/spirit without question particually, when it has been forged and interpolated over the millinnea to serve the interests of power-hungry men. I may as well put my life in the hands of man by doing so.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Merovingian on December 10, 2006, 04:22:05 PM ---When referring to your God source as "HIM", you are giving it form hence, it is human. So, whenever God is being portrayed as having form, it is not the Truth. You've totally missed the point.
As far as GOD....it's just a title for the source of all things created. And yes, I do acknowledge this source. After all, I am this source. That sounds very blasphemous and anti-everything to the typical Christian or Muslim mind. Thing is, I don't submit to the Christian's or Muslim's version of this source that they call GOD and Allah. Nor do I accept all of the Bible and Quran. I'm spiritually based and don't accept anything concerning my soul/spirit without question particually, when it has been forged and interpolated over the millinnea to serve the interests of power-hungry men. I may as well put my life in the hands of man by doing so.
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Allah is not a person, place, thing, man, he, her, him, it. In the English language you don't use a noun over and over saying "God" this, "God" that but you place a he in it's place so it doesn't sound redundant.
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