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an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
TraceOneInfinite:
Props to Virtuoso, he's the only one that got any of this right.
The so-called civil war thing is just a trick to justify America's occupation of the region, so they can take up the convenient role of peacemakes and blame casaulties on sectarian violence. This was planned way in advance, please believe it!
Best believe it that the US is behind the civil war in Iraq, and a great number of those bombs that went off that began the so-called civil war were covert operations planned by the US long before the invasion even took place.
The true architects of this war decided years in advance what the debate would be in Iraq. They wanted the debate to be over two things...
1. Troop levels- Whether or not Bush put enough troops in Iraq
2. Civil War- Why Bush isn't labelling it a civil war in Iraq
...the trick is, that either way you are being diverted from the truth. Because honestly, it doesn't matter at all if Bush labels it a civil war, because the bottom line is that another Arab state is being weekened, and Isreal and America are strengthening their foothold in the region.
Hypothetically if America left the region, all the Uncle Tom style Iraqi's who benefited off the invasion would come under attack, and eventually Allah would join the hearts of the Iraqi people under the banner of Islam.
King Tech Quadafi:
INFINITE, everything you wrote, I know. and i been knowing.
are the americans responsible for this mess? of course
have they turned a blind eye to this mess? of course
has it been a policy of theirs to divide n conquer? of course
is zarqawi a stooge? of course
BUT WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE "IDEAL " CIRCUMSTANCES. WE ARE IN A POSITION OF CHOOSING THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS, AND THE AMERICAN PRESENCE NOW IS THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS.
THE AVERAGE IRAQI HATES/FEARS SECRETERIAN MILITIAS MORE THAN THE AMERICANS.
Iraqi state tv reminds viewers to NOT FOLLOW IRAQI POLICE/ARMY ORDERS UNLESS THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY AMERICANS.
SUNNIS ASK AMERICANS TO PROTECT THEIR MOSQUES WHILE THEY PRAY.
IF THE AMERICANS LEFT IRAQ, SUNNIS WOULD BE CLEANSED FROM BAGHDAD, SHIAS WOULD ATTACK ANBAR PROVINCE, AND SUNNI TRIBESMEN FROM ALL OVER SAUDI,JORDAN,SYRIA ETC AS WELL AS SHIA IRANIAN REVOLUTOONARY GUARDS WOULD INVADE IRAQ.
infinite, do you remember the Iraq of 4 years ago? ITS DONE. IT DOESNT EXIST ANYMORE. IRAQ IS AN ARTIFICIAL CREATION THAT HAS BEEN IMPOSED ARBITRARILY FOR CENTURIES. BY OTTOMAN TURKS, SAFAVID PERSIANS, BRITISH COLONIZERS, SUNNI HASHEMITES, AND EVENTUALLY BAATHISTS, NOW AMERICANS.
"And if America left, you can bet that a great number of those Iraqi's who were benefiting off of America's occupation (all the Uncle Tom style Iraqi's) would be killed or their positions would be compromised until Iraqi's eventually unite under the only banner that can unite them which is the banner of Islam. "
INFINITE, YOURE THINKING WITH AN IDEALISTIC RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE. THAT PERSPECTIVE DOES NOT WORK. THAT PERSPECTIVE IS FOOLISH AND INCREDIBLY NAIVE. THIS IS COLD, BLOOD THIRSTY POLITICS. WHAT U ARE ADVOCATING WILL NEVER HAPPEN. THE SECOND THE AMERICANS LEAVE, WHAT U SEE NOW IN IRAQ IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT YOU WILL SEE.
BANNER OF ISLAM? LOL. THE SHIAS (BADRS AND MAHDI) FIGHT AMONGST THEM SELVES. THE SUNNIS (TRIBES AND AL QAEDA) FIGHT AMONGST THEMSELVES. THERE IS NO BANNER OF ISLAM IN IRAQ.
you guys played GTA San Andreas? imagine that game in real life, on fuckin steroids. Welcome to Iraq.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15756.htm
TraceOneInfinite:
Tech, I'm dissapointed in you man. Have you not learned from history what happens when Muslims call on the West (kuffar) to solve their problems?
Look, that's great if Iraq was always under an Islamic dynasty in the past. That's great if they used to be under the Ommeyed's or Abbasids or later the Safavids and then finally the Ottoman Empire. What's your point? The big problem I see was when the Ottoman fell and they fell under British colonialism. And since then it's been a bitter struggle to relieve themselves of servitude towards the West.
I'm not being naive or idealistic. As Muslims, do we depend on Allah for help or George Bush?
Look, if you want practical examples, Iran is a region next to Iraq that was once controlled by America and freed itself of foriegn intervention. Somalia is also a country that has recently began freeing itself of foriegn control. There are many examples. As far as the Sunni, Shiite thing, Muqtadr Al-Sadr is wise enough to get together with another prominent Sunni scholar and they could work something out. Look, there's been struggles between rival Islamic factions since the days of Aisha and Ali (raa), on into your country Afganistan in the early 90's after the Soviets left. But they didn't sell themselves off and beg for Jews and Christians to come in and handle their affairs. They worked it out, and some governments were better than others.
But you can't just give up and sell your soul to George Bush.
Look Tech.. now you officially can't complain about anything else that happens in Iraq from now on, because it was you that pleaded for Master Bush to stay there and save the poor Muslims.
M Dogg™:
I agree with Tech. I've been battling this for many months on what to do next. I think I posted it up a couple of time, but no responce. Anyways, we fucked over Iraq, and it's our job to fix it. We are in a position that if we pull out, Iraq will for to shit, and possible hold a hostle government towards us that will seek out revenge. Saddam use to have these people killed, as they all hated each other. Basically getting rid of Saddam uncovered greater dangers than we ever knew existed. We uncovered a bigger threat than Saddam ever was. We need to have a base stationed there, and occupy Iraq the same way we did Japan, until they are a friendly state. We should have never went, but now, we can't leave. This is what happens when people are irresponsible with their power of waging war.
Chief:
--- Quote from: You've been infected with T.E.D. on December 04, 2006, 01:25:10 PM ---The US has fucked up so bad that pulling the troops will just make this painfully obvious, so as long as Bush is in power (777 days) there will never be a pull of troops from Iraq. If all the troops were to come home tomorrow I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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nah man, bush is considering pulling alot of troops out.
their theory sounds good, something along the lines of letting the iraqi's start assuming responsibility for their own country... only problem is it's hard to do given the current situation... where would they start?
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