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an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Ayatollah Ali Al Sistani, the highest Shia authority in Iraq gave his blessings to the govt in power there. LOL, whose gonna root him out?
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-Ayotollah Sistani has only really given tacit approval to the government. Basically, the Shia' leadership is trying to be wise and play both sides of the fence by placing their people in power, and still maintaining an Iraqi version of Hezbollah style militia via Al-Sadr's Mehdi militia keeping credibility in the streets.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Muqtada Al Sadr is going to renegotiate peace deals? Death Squad Al Sadr is gonna negotiate a peace deal , lol?
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-That Al-Sadr death squad thing is blown out of proportion, it's US propaganda straight from CNN. Read any of Sadr's interviews, he mentions often that he blames America for the bombings and killings and he does not blame the Sunni's. Also, he sends out calls to all Muslims and Iraqi to oppose the occupation and calls for a full withdrawal of US troops.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Who is the Amir of the Sunni Ulama. You do realize that the Shura Council, is an umbrella group representing various Sunni groups.
Who is gonna lead them? Sunni tribes from Anbar? BUT THEY CURRENTLY TAKE PART IN THE GOVT. So i guess they;ll already have been uprooted. Al Qaeda in Iraq? Theyre gonna negotiate peace deals? Those fucks play a huge role in the disastrous turn of affairs in secreterian relations.
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An Amir from the Sunni Ulama can not truly emerge at this time because obviously they are under siege at the moment from US occupation forces.
If you want to talk about Al-Queda's supposed presence in Iraq; you should know that their supposed leader Usama's objectives have never been to battle Shia' and he has stated in interviews even prior to Sept. 11th that he felt that the big problem was American hegemony and American occupation of Muslim lands; and that that was to be dealt with first, and that once that was accomplished it would be easier to deal peacefully with what he considered lesser disputes such as Shia/Sunni disputes.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
You see Infinite, I would love for what u suggest to occur But it is a dream, a fantasy and does not resemble the reality on the ground. We have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils, not blatantly denounce everyting in the hopes some miracolous Good will occur.
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You've fallen victim to media propaganda. You should get rid of the television in your house. It was their objective always to dictate what the debate will be, and to offer two solutions, both of which will ultimately benefit them, and let the idiot public debate between the two solutions. Don't be so silly as to fall for that.
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King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on December 06, 2006, 11:27:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Ayatollah Ali Al Sistani, the highest Shia authority in Iraq gave his blessings to the govt in power there. LOL, whose gonna root him out?
--- End quote ---
-Ayotollah Sistani has only really given tacit approval to the government. Basically, the Shia' leadership is trying to be wise and play both sides of the fence by placing their people in power, and still maintaining an Iraqi version of Hezbollah style militia via Al-Sadr's Mehdi militia keeping credibility in the streets.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Muqtada Al Sadr is going to renegotiate peace deals? Death Squad Al Sadr is gonna negotiate a peace deal , lol?
--- End quote ---
-That Al-Sadr death squad thing is blown out of proportion, it's US propaganda straight from CNN. Read any of Sadr's interviews, he mentions often that he blames America for the bombings and killings and he does not blame the Sunni's. Also, he sends out calls to all Muslims and Iraqi to oppose the occupation and calls for a full withdrawal of US troops.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
Who is the Amir of the Sunni Ulama. You do realize that the Shura Council, is an umbrella group representing various Sunni groups.
Who is gonna lead them? Sunni tribes from Anbar? BUT THEY CURRENTLY TAKE PART IN THE GOVT. So i guess they;ll already have been uprooted. Al Qaeda in Iraq? Theyre gonna negotiate peace deals? Those fucks play a huge role in the disastrous turn of affairs in secreterian relations.
--- End quote ---
An Amir from the Sunni Ulama can not truly emerge at this time because obviously they are under siege at the moment from US occupation forces.
If you want to talk about Al-Queda's supposed presence in Iraq; you should know that their supposed leader Usama's objectives have never been to battle Shia' and he has stated in interviews even prior to Sept. 11th that he felt that the big problem was American hegemony and American occupation of Muslim lands; and that that was to be dealt with first, and that once that was accomplished it would be easier to deal peacefully with what he considered lesser disputes such as Shia/Sunni disputes.
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
You see Infinite, I would love for what u suggest to occur But it is a dream, a fantasy and does not resemble the reality on the ground. We have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils, not blatantly denounce everyting in the hopes some miracolous Good will occur.
--- End quote ---
You've fallen victim to media propaganda. You should get rid of the television in your house. It was their objective always to dictate what the debate will be, and to offer two solutions, both of which will ultimately benefit them, and let the idiot public debate between the two solutions. Don't be so silly as to fall for that.
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first u say all iraqis who benefited from the govt should be uprooted, then you basically admit that shias have given their approval to this govt. Sadr, Sistani, Hakimi ALL support the govt. They may despise the occupation, but all of them ARE the govt. How are u going to uproot the Shia political institution?
Zarqawi called Shias Kuffar. Al Qaeda in Iraq is vehemently against the Shia. And the other Sunnis are too weak/marginalized to confront Al Qaeda and when they do, they do it with the tacit support of Americans.'
Sadr is at the very least turning a blind eye to the militias, that becames him complicit in their activities.
Heres the thing, the ONLY FORM OF CO OPERATION BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS OCCURS AT THE GOVT LEVEL WITH THE AMERICANS INVOLVED. THIS IS SAD BUT TRUE.
See, my thing is you dont have anything to offer, any concrete realistic practical solution. you expect the americans to leave tomorrow, and everyone is going to squash their beefs.
7even:
Those Iraqis aren't brought up like you Infinite. They aren't like you. Just because they're muslims doesn't mean they have your reasoning. Matter of fact those Americans there are much more like you than those Iraqis, even if you'd never be happy with that, it is what it is.
Mr. O:
I ain't tryna offend iraqis, but fuck them. Who's problem is it to deal with "civil war?" Iraqis. US have no reason to occupy that place at all. We just wasting troops like gas fuel. If iraqis can't defend...well..they're fucked and that's the way it's gonna have to be unless they step.
Lex Boooger:
2Pac will put an end to all wars.
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