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Noname:
What you people think about this?

I read an interesting artical from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (President of Iran) a while ago (cant find it anymore), and he had some valid points. He didnt say the holocaust didnt happen, he said the holocaust didnt happen in the extend everyone's saying.

For instance:

- There were a lot more people killed in WWII (Polacks, Rusians etc)
- No one knows the exact number how many jews were killed/died
- It gave Jews a special treatment, even to this day
- Denying the holocaust is a crime in many countries

I never really spend any attention  to this. But after reading the article a while back it got me thinking. And he made some valid points.

Anyone know more about this?

virtuoso:
Every one of those points is valid, in fact the total number of jews killed in the holocaust was revised upwards to 6 million, it was not recorded at 6 million iniitally. Then following this new figure, it has become illegal to question it which is so deeply suspicious and ridiculous. Coining the cliche nothing to fear nothing to hide, why are they demonising people who want to question this? historians have gone too jail for not questioning that there were millions killed but they questioned the figure of 6 million. The reason why this is so important is that every year compensation is distributed to holocaust survivors famiies by the holocaust surivors group, this is not the exact name, i will check out the exact name but simply put if they can not find survivors then the money goes into a "suspense account". Which of course might explain why thery are so uncomfortable on people questioning the number who died. I should point out that jewish people have also questioned this figure. However the media likes to portray anyone who questions the figure as an extremist fringe group who are dangerous and are filled with deep evil hatred for jews. I am not a great expert on it so I can not offer my opinion other than no doubt many jews were killed.

It is also worth remembering that it is estimated that 6-8 million ukranians were systematically starved to death by the russian forces under Stalin and yet how many times do you hear this? where is the rememberance for them, or for the armenian holocaust? it is swept under the carpet. The hypocrisy is deeply chilling when you consider how other events are treated.

K.Dub:
Shit's fucked up. It's like denying that u need air to breath

And specialtreatment of the jews is getting overhand.

*Z* - The Queen of Dubcc:
the thing with stalin is kinda screwd up anyhow.when u ask people in germany about hitler, there are very few people, most of them are old poeple who think "hitler did some good things too, and maybe he wasnt too bad."
on the contrary to that many russians of different age think stalin was actually a good leader who really cared a lot for his country and the people in it while disregarding that he wasnt less of a monster.
of course it also correlates with the self-perception of germans and russians, becuz the people in germany are less brainwashed with patriotic crap, but russians on the other hand are told almost daily on tv and in other media how amazing their country is, and that nobody could ever understand the deepness of the russian culture aside from the russins themselves. it is very hard to find such statements in german public, becuz this would remind too much of the hitler-time and they would be again marked down as nazis.

as far as the holocaust is concerned, it is def true that there were many other peoples who were killed by the nazis, but i dont even think it is about that. if you listen to the speeches of hitler, you can notice how he expressed his hatred towrds jews every time he had the possibility to do so. how he was slowly depriving german jews of their lives, also through releasing these "anti-jew-laws"1935. how the people who became "nazi" were treating jews, by for example writing signs in front of stores that said: "NO entrance for dogs and jews" by depriving them of the right to go outside of their houses after 7 o clock in the evening and many other things. or what about these propaganda movies they made. i watched "the eternal jew" for example whcih is really harsh. i think these things play a big role too.im not saying there werent other groups who were just as much discriminated and killed, but you cant disregard the schematic extermination only bcuz of that and im not saying that it is justified for jewish people nowadays to use the holocaust as a reason to kill palestinians, but i think this was a very hard time of great discrimination and torture for the people who had to suffer back then in germany and thats why i think this is rediculous to discuss that. this is only my oppinion

I TO DA GEEZY:
It doesn't matter what Nationality were the people who died. It's a great, if not the greatest, tragedy in the history of humankind. What followed was pure disgrace. Instead of learning the underlying hazards of Nationalism, from that unbridled jingoism of the holocaust, you have people nowadays exercising the same kind of ignorance that brought it about in the first place.

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