DPG to 90's as Parliafunkedlicment thang to the 70's

[Tanjential]

I've often thought of west coast rap as just a natural extension of the funk of the 70's considering much of it uses George Clinton, Isleys, Zapp and the Gap band and all kinds of 70's cats live as well as samples and it often feels like the same community of people over the decades  (jelly roll, QDIII other examples) whereas east coast rap is what could be defined as hip hop (Kurupt and snoop's albums have alot more in common with a Nate dogg album then say a KRS one album and you can't really say a Nate album is a rap album any more than you can say a rap star guest filled Mariah carey album is a rap album) or an actual separate genre.

I've been thinking lately, DPG is a very vague term for a large loose conglomerate of associated funk and rap artists that do their thang all over Cali since the early 90's and will have a funky impact on WC rap for years to come. i kind of think of them as the parliament of the 90's. parliament, funkadelic, p funk, clinton's solo records etc. all use roughly the same cats with an ever revolving cast because life is always in motion. both were somewhat active before and after their decades of prime(70's, 90's) but they as a loose family will produce funky shit as long as they live.

I thought this also while watching the LMR video, dre superimposing his face on the mother ship or the dre day vid with the funkadelic shirt. it's a beautiful thing and it's the reason I like WC rap, not just quality hip hop but funky melodic music.

man, i was smoking with some chick friends the other day and they were saying that DPG is more head bobbing smoking music and not good for the club but what DPG shit doesn't knock in the club when given a chance? They were saying shit like "it just doesn't have that club feel" I feel it's like it has a perfectly legitimate club feel you're just not used to that shit getting play anymore since the 90's....bah, just venting cause to me it's like, the rap i listen to alot, DPG/Mac dre....is the only shit i'd really want to get down to at a club, well that shit and some 70's funk and because that's not the shit being played I won't have a good time at the club.

we, dubcc, should rent a club in LA for a party for a weekend and just knock that funky shit all night while pullin' on mad blunts, no?

-T

[Diggfinger]

Yeah I can digg what you are saying. It's crazy to listen to funk sometimes because it simply resembles todays rap (west coast rap that is) SO MUCH...I mean the claps, the synths...I mean just the whole structure of the tracks.
And listen to Tha Eastsidaz's Duces N Trayz...that character who doesnt want to C-Walk is 100% COMPLETELY bitten of Funkadelic; they did exacy the same stuff with the good Sir Nose...lyrics might have been abit different but it still the same sound effects n all. And there are alot more examples too.

Like the wise Kokane ones said though....everybody is a biter in some form or fashion. If it werent for funk, and especially people like George Clinton, Roger Troutman, James Brown...., there would be NO west coast like we know it. I think that's all a good thing, funk is dope music so why not be inspired by it??

Matta of fact im heading towards funk more than rap at the moment....rap bores me alittle, funk is so fly and (ofentimes) postive... 8)which is much harder to do than callin women bitches and smoking poison while hittin switches 

[Tanjential]

Hey, weed ain't poison.

but yea I listen to a lot of curtis mayfield and george clinton too.

and yeah they blatantly bite stuff from p funk but p funk fucks with them so it's all family. the dpg directly works with the isleys, p funk, gap band, it's beautiful....ironic, G clinton/p funk from new jersey. wheres mayfielf from? i'd assume ohio players are from ohio. i guess funk is from all over? where is james brown from?

anyway, even though funk is so fly, i've noticed that dre streamlined the sound in a way that i've never heard clinton too. for example:

mothership connection is a dope 7 minute song but everyone listens to it for that really dope 1.5 minute passage near the end. let me ride takes that dopest passage and not just loops it but streamlines it, makes the sound clearer and the composition tighter.on a purely musical level, the best rap is the evolution of funk: tightening the jams, squeezing the dopest passages out and making songs dense with the dope part.

-T

[J$crILLa]

i agree

[Diggfinger]

Hey, weed ain't poison.

but yea I listen to a lot of curtis mayfield and george clinton too.

and yeah they blatantly bite stuff from p funk but p funk fucks with them so it's all family. the dpg directly works with the isleys, p funk, gap band, it's beautiful....ironic, G clinton/p funk from new jersey. wheres mayfielf from? i'd assume ohio players are from ohio. i guess funk is from all over? where is james brown from?

anyway, even though funk is so fly, i've noticed that dre streamlined the sound in a way that i've never heard clinton too. for example:

mothership connection is a dope 7 minute song but everyone listens to it for that really dope 1.5 minute passage near the end. let me ride takes that dopest passage and not just loops it but streamlines it, makes the sound clearer and the composition tighter.on a purely musical level, the best rap is the evolution of funk: tightening the jams, squeezing the dopest passages out and making songs dense with the dope part.

-T

I aint got Mothership Connection yet (getting it damn soon though) so I cant speak on the track you are refering too, but listening to Computer Games for instance (like I am right now ) just blows my mind, I mean G. Clinton was and is SUCH a dope producer. The way he makes those wavey hawaii bells on "Tot Sharing Pots" sound so natural, and all these other weird noise just come together to form a glue tight groove...its just wonderful.

I think DJ Quik says something similiar on Visualism while speaking on Bernie Worrell, he said he learned how they made these odd noises sound so natural.


FUNKK ON YALL 

[BJV]

Also that whole W Balls thing is similar to what George Clinton used to do at the start of Parliament albums he imitated a radio station because he felt they werent being played enough on radio. There are so many elements from Parliament that DPG used in the 90's and they didn't just steal the shit they must have great respect for the music, they made something special out of it on their own.

[Tanjential]

Also that whole W Balls thing is similar to what George Clinton used to do at the start of Parliament albums he imitated a radio station because he felt they werent being played enough on radio. There are so many elements from Parliament that DPG used in the 90's and they didn't just steal the shit they must have great respect for the music, they made something special out of it on their own.

Yes, and as opposed to thinking of it as they lifted it from them, I just see DPG as a continuation. Is visualism like a quik dvd companion to rhythmalism?

-T

[es-jay]

how do you give people bad karma??