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Phil said Kobe is a better player with the ball than Michael
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
4-5 titles? Jordan didn't even win his first title at the age Kobe is now!
I agree with most of what you're saying, but one thing is that the Jordan treatment was not comparable to any superstar treatment EVER, not even Dwyane Wade...In one sense, we're the luckiest fans in the world, man. We got the best player in the game and one of the greatest ever leading our young team and we have about 10 years of watching him to see whether or not he is the one. On the other hand, our fans are not so lucky in the sense that the Lakers/Kobe don't get the same ref treatment the Bulls/Jordan were getting in the early 90s. nowadays, that treatment is going in the direction of the younger superstars of the league (Wade, LeBron, etc.). Just imagine how much greater Kobe could come off to everyone if the league was backing him and the media had nothing against him, this is why Jordan had those MVPs and Kobe will probably never win 1...Imagine what it would be like if he got to the line every time he took it to the basket, if he got those extra trips that Jordan always did...It would be much easier to see what I was saying if that were the case...Unfortunately, the league makes it a little harder for us to compare certain players, they make it so that D-Wade seems comparable to Kobe, so basketball heads like me and you have to look into it to see the whole picture...Think about that and think about how lucky you are every time you get a chance to catch a Laker game and watch history happening...Think about the endless possibilites and think about how much was still ahead of Jordan at the age of 28...PeACe
wcsoldier:
Well; I think it's an interesting talk because of the fact people has difficulties to think about Jordan skills regardless all the media thing, the legend ect... both Antonio and Nik brought valid arguments... I tend to agree with Antonio, Kobe has (will ) to prove he can win being the main player on the team (people who said Shaq won these titles are moron, Kobe needed Shaq and Shaq needed Kobe but like Antonio said it's more easy to win with a dominant C...). I don't think Kobe can achieve what Jordan awards wise but like Nik said it doesn't mean who will be the best skills wise, due to the subjectivity of the medias.. when it comes to offensive games , if you watch games on a regular basis you know Kobe has a more versatile game than MJ.. I mean MJ never had the range Kobe has.. the main difference ( it changed a lot this year though ) is MJ made better choices when it comes to go to the hoop when his jumper was off, when Kobe forced long shots (but once again he barely had calls so...) Defensive wise they're both great but the main difference is MJ D was better on no names than Kobe one, who takes D as challenges to lock great scorers up and tend to be more relax on no-names BUT let's not forget MJ had Pippen who was the best D on the perimeter for years imo... Back on general topic if Kobe wins 2 or 3 titles in the upcoming years he will be on Jordan level regardless the individual awards... I jus think people have to make their own opinion and not repeat what the medias say all the time.. you must have a deeper look on the comparaison... 8)
Antonio_:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on January 22, 2007, 10:59:45 AM ---4-5 titles? Jordan didn't even win his first title at the age Kobe is now!
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Man i was talking about the offensive foul on Russell (1998), the foul on Mookie (1997) etc.. About the things written in the article. Anyway Michael Jordan won his first NBA title at the age of 28. Kobe has now 10379 days of life (easy to calculate, lol. Don't look at me as an UFO!). Jordan won his first title after 10329 days of life. So tecnically you're wrong (not that it changes a damn thing, but..).
--- Quote ---I agree with most of what you're saying, but one thing is that the Jordan treatment was not comparable to any superstar treatment EVER, not even Dwyane Wade...In one sense, we're the luckiest fans in the world, man. We got the best player in the game and one of the greatest ever leading our young team and we have about 10 years of watching him to see whether or not he is the one. On the other hand, our fans are not so lucky in the sense that the Lakers/Kobe don't get the same ref treatment the Bulls/Jordan were getting in the early 90s. nowadays, that treatment is going in the direction of the younger superstars of the league (Wade, LeBron, etc.). Just imagine how much greater Kobe could come off to everyone if the league was backing him and the media had nothing against him, this is why Jordan had those MVPs and Kobe will probably never win 1...Imagine what it would be like if he got to the line every time he took it to the basket, if he got those extra trips that Jordan always did...It would be much easier to see what I was saying if that were the case...Unfortunately, the league makes it a little harder for us to compare certain players, they make it so that D-Wade seems comparable to Kobe, so basketball heads like me and you have to look into it to see the whole picture...Think about that and think about how lucky you are every time you get a chance to catch a Laker game and watch history happening...Think about the endless possibilites and think about how much was still ahead of Jordan at the age of 28...PeACe
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Man i consider myself blessed. First of all because i grew up watching Magic. And now because Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan i've ever seen. I'm blessed, like i said. And i'm blessed i've always supported the Lakers since day-1. Since when i used to dress those ugly violet jerseys at school (do you remember them?) with Magic printed on them doing a sky-hook (while everybody and their moma had the Jordan's, and them black shirts with the white Nike Air Jordan logo on them).
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
I respect your opinion... I'm glad that we can debate this topic on a mature level...Antonio and wcsoldier prove that not everyone on WCC needs to resort to phottoshopped pics and childish disses to keep up in a debate with me. We all basically share the same opinion, we just have different views on 'em...In my opinion, Kobe WILL lead his team to more titles and be seen as the greatest, by a fair amount of people at least. And I truly hope that opinion becomes a reality... now we just have to wait and see...PeACe
wcsoldier:
^^^^^ yep like I said we are here to Xchange opinions.. not to take it on a personal level... well I try to debate as much as I can, but I don't always have the vocabulary to mean what I want.. so it ain't easy... I watch B-Ball for years so I like Xchange deeper views but the fact English isn't my former language is kind of a pb.. back on topic of course Kobe will lead us to more titles, if u don't believe it, I don't know how you can be a Lakers fan
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