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Turkish-Armenian writer shot dead
Jay_J:
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--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on February 06, 2007, 04:30:27 AM ---But we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains
You said it, not me.
I know some like JML is very happy about with this situation, like Türkiye's enemies.
Why would I be happy about this? LOL. I don't give a fuck. I'm not Turkish or Armenian... I'm Muslim though, and I still think what the Turks did to the Armenians is fucked up. Yes, it was genocide.
i know how many armanians killed by türks, died by movement and disease, also Türkish people died by movement and disease because of the epidemic and war on Anatolia... And i'm asking WHY?
LOL @ died by movement. Turks forced them to move... to march across the fucking desert... it doesn't take a genius to figure out that wandering hundreds of miles across the desert is going to have some kind of consequences, especially for older people, children, women, etc. And I don't think you'd even want to get into what the Turks did to them along the way.
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--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on February 06, 2007, 09:38:39 AM ---I accept some türkish people(not soldiers) killed innocent armanians with think they had to kill before armanians kill him.
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You just exposed how full of shit, or dumb, you really are. You accept that Turks killed INNOCENT Armenians because they believed those INNOCENT Armenians would kill them if they hadn't done it first. Are you really using this fucking logic, or lack there of, to justify this? The only thing you were right about, and the only thing you have proven in your posts is:
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on February 06, 2007, 04:30:27 AM ---But we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains
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you read it carefully but you miss somewhere... everycountry got ill and weak brains, every nation, every 100 people you can stop in a street... it's not a smart thing to use " but we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains"...you seems a little weak with using it twice... You are like papparazies, you cut my speech and using me what you want to mean by me... I SAID "But we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains, also you can find anybody to make him kill somebody for money,it's not about Türkiye"
that simply shows what you want to do... like what armanian diaspora did to you. You heard something maybe read(is it possible, do you read any books about this problem) you see what you able to see around. i understand this. But if you talk about a subject. You have to read. You have to read more and different type looks for this subject. You can mix each one inside and decide what "YOU" think about.
i believe you are happy. Because you believe this "so called" genocide, you believe that Turks are barbarian(oh my god i said "Turks are barbarian" you can use it JML) and this murder proooves what you believe right? One murder can proove a lie in your life ha.. that's so sad
We forced them to move. Yes you are correct. But we didnt made them to move any country. They moved south in Ottoman Empire. Soldiers escorted them all the way for using the healty way. Yes gangs attacked them across the movement, Like arabic gangs and kurdish gangs in Syria for money or something else valuable. Turks did nothing to them across the way. How can you think that, can we attack them when we fight against France, England, Greece and Russia. We were trying to protect ourselves. I assure you we got no time to think anything except protecting our lives. 486,000 of 500,000 in Syria helped by Ottoman with giving them food,money and place to stay. This was prooved with a document sent by Halep Consalate to Morgenthau( U.S.A's Ottomon consalate). Also government let Red-Cross to escort and help Armanians. And Lansing from U.S. diplomatic service sent a letter to Wilson about 2 million dollar help of missionaries per month. I think it wont be a surprise if i say England blocked the helps like drugs and foods.And another important detail Ottoman government says "do a census where they moved". How a country want a census if they want to genocide.I think you'll never able to see and hear this truths or you won't want to.
And again there is something showing your aim and hate. You are talkin about what i said about innocent armanians killed. Sorry i forgot to add "INNOCENT" in front of turkish pregnant womens, childs and men. I want peace and i want to say something. Something you treat like you never read. Some armanians are forced by armanian gangs to kill innocent turks with saying them Turks will kill you, do it first. So many turks killed by their armanian neighbours. You don't know Turks entrusted their women and children to their Armanian brothers when they go to war. But some armanians killed them. Do you know that? Hey JML are you there? Heeeyyyy
I never forgive who killed my 500,000 people. But i never hate all armanians. It was not all's fault. That's the way i look. That's the way to bring peace.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on February 07, 2007, 11:21:36 AM ---you read it carefully but you miss somewhere... everycountry got ill and weak brains, every nation, every 100 people you can stop in a street... it's not a smart thing to use " but we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains"...you seems a little weak with using it twice... You are like papparazies, you cut my speech and using me what you want to mean by me... I SAID "But we Türkiye got some ill and weak brains, also you can find anybody to make him kill somebody for money,it's not about Türkiye"
that simply shows what you want to do... like what armanian diaspora did to you. You heard something maybe read(is it possible, do you read any books about this problem) you see what you able to see around. i understand this. But if you talk about a subject. You have to read. You have to read more and different type looks for this subject. You can mix each one inside and decide what "YOU" think about.
1. You're the who said that, I just quoted you.
2. For your information... yes, I have looked into this subject, have read several books on it, have looked at shit from both sides, and then came to the conclusion that I did. Your government obviously has something to hide when people who speak on the topic are punished for insulting "Turkishness" (Article 301). TURKISH intellectuals who are starting to expose the government's actions are being punished left and right.
i believe you are happy. Because you believe this "so called" genocide, you believe that Turks are barbarian(oh my god i said "Turks are barbarian" you can use it JML) and this murder proooves what you believe right? One murder can proove a lie in your life ha.. that's so sad
Again, I have no reason to be happy or sad about this. I could honestly care less. I never claimed that Turks are barbarian, nor did I state that this murder proves anything of that sort. That also doesn't mean that there wasn't a genocide.
We forced them to move. Yes you are correct. But we didnt made them to move any country. They moved south in Ottoman Empire. Soldiers escorted them all the way for using the healty way. Yes gangs attacked them across the movement, Like arabic gangs and kurdish gangs in Syria for money or something else valuable. Turks did nothing to them across the way. How can you think that, can we attack them when we fight against France, England, Greece and Russia. We were trying to protect ourselves. I assure you we got no time to think anything except protecting our lives. 486,000 of 500,000 in Syria helped by Ottoman with giving them food,money and place to stay. This was prooved with a document sent by Halep Consalate to Morgenthau( U.S.A's Ottomon consalate). Also government let Red-Cross to escort and help Armanians. And Lansing from U.S. diplomatic service sent a letter to Wilson about 2 million dollar help of missionaries per month. I think it wont be a surprise if i say England blocked the helps like drugs and foods.And another important detail Ottoman government says "do a census where they moved". How a country want a census if they want to genocide.I think you'll never able to see and hear this truths or you won't want to.
And again there is something showing your aim and hate. You are talkin about what i said about innocent armanians killed. Sorry i forgot to add "INNOCENT" in front of turkish pregnant womens, childs and men. I want peace and i want to say something. Something you treat like you never read. Some armanians are forced by armanian gangs to kill innocent turks with saying them Turks will kill you, do it first. So many turks killed by their armanian neighbours. You don't know Turks entrusted their women and children to their Armanian brothers when they go to war. But some armanians killed them. Do you know that? Hey JML are you there? Heeeyyyy
I never forgive who killed my 500,000 people. But i never hate all armanians. It was not all's fault. That's the way i look. That's the way to bring peace.
You are not telling me anything I already didn't know. I'm not trying to convince you that there was a genocide, nor will you deceive me into thinking that there wasn't. I never said innocent Turks didn't die... but that also doesn't disprove any argument being put forth. However, since you mentioned raids by Kurds, you do know that Turks played a role in getting the Kurds to do that right? Wait, you even acknowledge that soldiers escorted them... isn't the point of escorting them to keep them safe... so were the soldiers too busy sticking soujouks up eachothers asses while the Kurds were handling their nightly raids to kill Armenians?
I think the way to bring peace is for the government to accept what it has done in the past.
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Jay_J:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 08, 2007, 10:56:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Cey_Cey on February 07, 2007, 11:21:36 AM ---
1. You're the who said that, I just quoted you. (you know you quoted it less, it was very funny to see you when you ruin all the things)
2. For your information... yes, I have looked into this subject, have read several books on it, have looked at shit from both sides, and then came to the conclusion that I did. Your government obviously has something to hide when people who speak on the topic are punished for insulting "Turkishness" (Article 301). TURKISH intellectuals who are starting to expose the government's actions are being punished left and right. ( All european countries has the same Article 301, now you see i'm very rightfull when i say "read and search before speak")
[You are not telling me anything I already didn't know. I'm not trying to convince you that there was a genocide, nor will you deceive me into thinking that there wasn't. I never said innocent Turks didn't die... but that also doesn't disprove any argument being put forth. However, since you mentioned raids by Kurds, you do know that Turks played a role in getting the Kurds to do that right? Wait, you even acknowledge that soldiers escorted them... isn't the point of escorting them to keep them safe... so were the soldiers too busy sticking soujouks up eachothers asses while the Kurds were handling their nightly raids to kill Armenians?
I think the way to bring peace is for the government to accept what it has done in the past.
Yes we said to Kurdish gangs "attack the armanians" maybe we also said them "kill Turks" :) you are getting real funny right now. And you are talkin about we didn't protected them. I think you dont know why we had to make Armanians move south. We were in war with Russia and England. They tried to use them and they did. They hit us behind. They killed our soliders, and our people. We were in the middle of fires. We protected them as much as we "able" to.
And you dont know what is peace. Peace is not to swear your granpa's, History is a science and science men can talk and decide them. We always told to world for found a committee under UNITED NATIONS to search what happened in 1915. Why Armania reject this, whay they run away. They know they are lying, we are ready to discuss it in front of all of the world. We believe our history. But they are still lying about a histoy they dont trust to discuss.
Let me show you what is a massacre or genocide
The photograph taken on April 25 th 1918
The Armanian government is till the same since 1915. The terrorists who killed our 41 diplomat are heros there. The government is the same Tashnak gang ( do you know the Tashnaks, the murderers). Don't you know what they did in 1991. They did it again. Like they did in 1915.
http://www.human.az
Look what they did 15 years ago in the modern world of 90's
why dont you talking bout that????
i'm askin again " WHY "
can it be the reason of Hate Turks.
it cant be, it mustn't be
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J @ M @ L:
Having Article 301 and using it to send people to prison for discussing their government's past actions isn't the same thing, buddy. You haven't answered why the Turkish government punishes Turkish intellectuals for this? What are they trying to hide? (Example: Orhan Pamuk)
I know that factions of Armenians were used against the Ottoman government. But over 1 million people?
Forcing an entire ethnic group to march hundreds of miles across the desert isn't really "protecting them". You don't think they knew that a shitload of them would die? Or did their ill and weak brains prevent them from realizing this?
Yes, I know about all the Armenian terrorist activities against Turkish diplomats... but again, that doesn't disprove that there was a genocide. You saying "oh but look what they did to us" doesn't mean shit... I'll agree that these events occurred, but so what?
And please, I know you don't wanna get into an exchange of posting pictures...
Cey Cey, does Orhan Pamuk also hate Turks? Seriously, you're an idiot if you think people recognize this as genocide simply because they "hate Turks". I don't hate Turks, and I don't think Orhan Pamuk is a self-hating Turk... do you, with your ill and weak brain, believe this?
Jay_J:
I don't like the 301 article however it's necessary but it must be changed a little... And I dont like Orhan Pamuk. Everybody knows nobel is a political thing.
And we dont forced armanians march across a "desert". They marched near "Fırat and "Dicle" rivers. Look what you heard and talking bout, it is wrong. and i think it must be 1.5 million armanian JML. 1 million is less i think. Maybe 2 million. Search more. One million mustn't be enogh to you. The truth :there were 800,000 armanian in Ottoman(the census done by Armanian minister) and like % 70 of them moved.
I never said "oh but look what they did to us"... i said "look what they did"... i never used "but"... do you understand what i'm meaning?
Orhan Pamuk lied about our history, sweared our grandpa's to win the Nobel... I was polite at all, I never sweared you JML but you did at the end. Yes my ill and weak brain believe this, you are right. You get angry when you see all the things you were talkin are wrong ha? Go on.
And how old are you? It seems you are young... Because you dont understand what i'm telling you... You cant talk as an adult
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