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Barack Obama is a hard target for scrutiny; Joe Biden is first victim

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virtuoso:
Firstly let me address the obama response, he is simply put just another mouth piece, another way of steering the agenda, to a certain extent americans feel disillusioned right now because they have finally seen through Bush. What the corporate controlled interests are now doing though is offering a false illusion of hope to the people and the hope comes in the form of a black man for president. This is the same man who voted for all of these pieces of legislation which strip all americans of any rights, he is for the burning of the constitution, he is motivated by the ideology of authoritarianism.

As for Clinton, when Clinton was in power, this was the beginning of both the "oil for food program" which is estimated to have killed some 2 million iraqi people and when questioned about this, even his adviser Madelaine Albright said it was a price worth paying, she did not dispute the figures. That right there is an example of cold callous disregard for human life. Clinton is revered for his time in office and yet he sent the american troops into Yugoslavia to decimate that country. Of course certain pretexts were used "trying to stop a genocide" but the truth of the matter is Milosevic said he did not need Europe as Yugoslavia was self sufficient, with a thriving manufacturing base and the country was becoming more prosperous. Under the guise of NATO they went in there and took Yugoslavia apart piece by piece, for geopolitical reasons, to balkanise the country and have on going secterarianism.

Following on from that the Kosovo war was just another staged phony set of circumstances, Al Queda were used to attack the serbian troops and when in retataliation they hit back they were claimed to be genocidal killers wiping out muslims. Wild hype was thrown around in the media there was a max exodus of muslims and that they were being ethnically cleansed from Kosovo. Which was confirmed to be nothing but concocted bullshit when the UNHCR reported that the mass exodus of people from Kosovo began after the NATO bombardment. So on Clinton's watch he is complicit with notorious drug barons, endorsed the genocidal "oil for food program" and a war mongerer who has helped to turn Yugoslavia into a radioactive nuclear wasteland forever. As for Obama well so far he can be credited with supporting legislation which can declare any american as an enemy combatant, to be lawfully kidnapped, tortured and held indefinitely in concentration camps without any legal recourse.

In fact what I have said there are no great revelations it's just people like to entrench themselves within a certain camp and view it almost like a game of soccer, or football you have to support one side or the other. Only the difference in political ciricles, is if you get past the rhetoric what they are saying in most cases, amounts to exactly the same thing. Clinton is all the things I mentioned and much more but the difference between him and Bush was he really had the smarts, the swagger and the cunning to pull the wool over peoples eyes. Whereas Bush's puppet strings are so obvious to basically anyone who sees or hears him. This is my main frustration, with the way in which people have allowed political groups to be branded, they automatically assume that because the agenda is represented under the NATO or U.N banner that it must be good and couldn't possibly have any wicked intentions in mind.

Jip:
i think this proves how much bryan only talks about stuff or says its good because someone or something is muslim, this guy is obviously your basic politician

he thinks the stuff they all do

but because hes muslim, bryan gave him full support without the facts

Teddy Roosevelt:

--- Quote from: Jip on February 02, 2007, 11:05:27 AM ---but because hes muslim, bryan gave him full support without the facts

--- End quote ---
Obama is not a Muslim. He is a member of the United Church of Christ.

Samoan Enforcer:
bryan i thought you were over America and thats why u left. why the fuck are you still meddling in OUR affairs?

east bay funk:
all i know about Obama is he smoked a lot of ganj and tried some yowder

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