It's May 21, 2024, 06:38:49 AM
you see you speaking some major bullshit there.....you saying all nas shit is garbageis like me saying all rock shit is bullshit white boy music that don't sound good....its wrong....nas is art whether you like it or not....fact is most people cannot do what nas can and same i am sure with what some of these rock cats are doing who are the better ones.....nas speaks on alot of shit, is hella relavant and poetic and portrays his shit in art....there aint no denying this.....i use to get the feeling that you are some pro white/anti black music cat who only likes eminem in hiphop...infact im sure no matter what you say about nas.....eminem is someone you like alot no matter what you will say....its evident by alot of posts you have spoken on eminem in the past....but no i will not be bringing them back up............now nas is a great and his shit is art...and yes he has some steriotype shit going for him but he goes against the grain with alot of shit aswell....and im sure that alot of these rock cats who are considered great fit many rock steriotypes aswell but they have something which stands out form the rest....you coming in here speaking like hiphop aint shit....dissin nas yet keep a blind eye on other shit is funny....like other dude said, this is a hiphop forum, why watse your time here if this place aint for you....and i know you aint a cat to come infest every topic with bullshit but you speaking right now, dissing one of hiphops finest probably mad cuz he dissed some white people.......truth is music is music and art is art....nas is both....because he is a great....hiphop may be weak right now but its still got its gemspeace
In my opinion, it is an extremely narcistic attitude and a very, very pretentious base for a statement to argue that something has greater calibre of art and is objectively of higher value when it comes to music. I, actually, feel like slapping such people. Art is the outcome of a creative process. There's no hierarchy of value implied in it. Music is as good as it is in reaching what it's supposed to be. Like, a song that is meant to be political, and fails miserably at it, sucks. A song that is supposed to make people laugh, but fails miserably at it, sucks. Yet, neither does a song have to make people laugh nor does it have to be political. Some people prefer funny songs, some political. That is completely subjective. Ultimately, you can not call a song that excels in featuring great battle rhymes worse than a song that excels in touching people on an emotional level - because both songs are good at what they are supposed to be good at.I also pity anyone who thinks he can be completely objective towards the whole wide spectre of music, let alone art.
Godfather can be considered better than King of New York because they aren't completely different genres or so I assume (haven't seen the latter). But, for instance I don't know why exactly, but many people consider Dumb and Dumber a very, very hilarious movie. So it's just as good in filling its purpose. Of course, Godfather can still be considered more "arty" for obvious reasons, as a movie like this naturally comes along in a more artful manner. For movies it is a little different though. As they are more similiar even within different genres than music. Music can be something that completely differs from each other, also, people have different ears for it. Like, for instance, my homies who don't really listen to rap, can't grasp what I find so great about a certain flow or delivery. To them it's all the same, the beat if pretty much everything. They don't have that rap-loving ear that I have. I on the other hand don't have a ear for hardcore heavy metal. To me it's just annoying noise. But I would never go as far as saying Hiphop is superior art compared to that.
wasn't generalizing hip hop, and I wasn't judging it as an outsider. A great portion of my cd colection is still hip hop. I'm not judging the musical side of hip hop either. We were talking about lyrics, and in that case I don't see how you cannot compare Nas and Dylan. If people think Nas is better then that's fine. To each his own. I explained why I dislike much of the lyricism in hip hop. I called it less of an art because of the presentation. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will always sound silly to me when an artist promotes himself the person in a serious song. If it's comedy then it's fine, but I can't imagine Scorsese placing shots of himself accomplishing something inbetween shots of a film like Raging Bull, or Marlon Brando setting up his scenes in Streetcar with "aaahhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh, Here's big Mar with some mo' fiyahh fo dat ass. Stellaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!". It would just be too hard for me to take it seriously. It detracts from the art and focuses on the promotion. Imagine a film like Mystic River spending 5 minutes on a scene between characters talking about how great of a director Clint Eastwood while in character during the film, just because Clint was directing and wanted to let people know he's the man. That's how feel when I hear a lopt of rappers. -ShallowFANTASTIC POINT, I've often felt the same way about alot of rap for years. That's kinda why I like game though, he does it to the point of self satire. like he's aware of the ridiculous aspects of hip hop and uses them to a sarcastic but still artistic extent...he's like a personification of everything wrong and right in the hip hop game(street enough to get street cred but too street to avoid beef dig?). just a thought. either way, shallow, great post. I hope to see you around more. +1-T-T
you listen to Game?-T
Everybody thinks it's there duty to run and defend Rock music whenever anybody says they don't like it. And this is supposed to be a hip-hop forum. I know they don't defend hip-hop like this on Rock music forums.
guerilla-from-the-mist, rap is not the only real music. Bob Dylan in the 60's was at least as political as PE. he marched with dr.king, sang songs at the same rally he delivered I have a dream at.