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The Rise Of The West Began With The African Slave Trade
XaNdEr:
Why is everyone taking abdul serious, i mean its all his opinions, backed up by facts, but its still his opinion, im sure theres at least hundreds of people with other views on it...lol
he bases all this on 1 book he read, thats hella stupid 8)
Chief:
so what should we do?
Don Seer:
god this guy is a kook..
make your mind up.. is it off the back of black people,or muslims?
which nationality white people "stole the slaves"?
how did the first shipments of slaves get populated?.. i.e. who gave the whites the slaves? did the go round up people like cattle or what?
do you know how small a part of europe spain is when compared to the rest? fuck all influence on the rest.
nexy time you "travel" try travelling to spain, france, greece and england or something get a real handle on the shit you talk about..
in the most part spain is a backwards ass country of fisherman and farmers and its deeply catholic, just like its adjacent portugal it aint no "power base".. in other parts they have some beautiful stuff, barcelona in particular is stunning.. and work on the sagrada cathedral started in 1882 and is still going. check the pics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia
J @ M @ L:
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The "RISE" of the West had nothing to do with the slave trade. Slaves were used for labor after the rise, but had nothing to do with the West actually beginning to surpass the rest of the world.
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Then please tell me about the "actual" beggining because it seems all the authors at Barnes and Noble must have missed what you know about. So again, I ask you to explain.
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First of all, the authors whose books you skimmed through didn't reach the conclusion of the West's rise being tied to the slave trade... you admitted that's the conclusion you came to. For obvious reasons, free labor was definitely beneficial to them, and they gained a lot from slavery, but that doesn't mean the rise of the west began with slavery. Before I answer your question, think about this... slavery existed for many many years before the West used Africans in the New World, so why didn't all those other people practicing slavery rise to the status of the West?
The institutions of capitalism existed in the Middle East thousands of years ago, but the thing is that merchants/traders were looked down upon since they made so much money without producing anything tangible, while farmers were working their asses off in the fields making jackshit. Since a majority of the people saw them as some kind of evil, it was easy for governments to rape them for their money.. nobody was gonna oppose it. What changed everything to what we see today is the Papal revolution in 1075. This created the legal and administrative infrastucture for a market economy (ex: property rights, protecting Merchants, etc). The Church was above the State, so now profit-seeking was the norm, and it was protected. For over a thousand years, the economies (standards of living) in places like China and India were greater than that of the West (Roman Empire, etc)... but this is when the West BEGAN to RISE... and eventually with the Industrial Revolution, completely leave others in the dust (that's because it transformed agrarian economies constrained by the products derived from a limited resource aka land to one using an "unlimited" amount aka fossil fuels.. leading to promethean intensive growth yada yada if you want me to go into the specific economic aspects let me know.)
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Seer - San on March 02, 2007, 12:25:59 AM ---
god this guy is a kook..
make your mind up.. is it off the back of black people,or muslims?
which nationality white people "stole the slaves"?
how did the first shipments of slaves get populated?.. i.e. who gave the whites the slaves? did the go round up people like cattle or what?
do you know how small a part of europe spain is when compared to the rest? fuck all influence on the rest.
nexy time you "travel" try travelling to spain, france, greece and england or something get a real handle on the shit you talk about..
in the most part spain is a backwards ass country of fisherman and farmers and its deeply catholic, just like its adjacent portugal it aint no "power base".. in other parts they have some beautiful stuff, barcelona in particular is stunning.. and work on the sagrada cathedral started in 1882 and is still going. check the pics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia
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So, what exactly is your counter argument to what I said?
I guess you were trying to say that what I said somehow wasn't true because black Afrrican's were involved in selling their own people to white slave owners. Okay, fine. What's your point?
That still doesn't do anything to refute the fact that the British Empire was biult on the backs of black slaves.
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