KB24 vs LBJ

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

I do agree that you can't compare the total points scored by Kobe till now to the total points scored by Jordan when he was 28-29. But man, the thing you did is uncorrect too, somehow. Let me explain: when Kobe was selected straight from high school, it was a totally different NBA. Rookies coming from high school were just 1-2 out of the whole draft, and people didn't even respect them for their decision. The NBA didn't like it (they wanted players to go to College first), the players didn't like it. Plus Kobe was selected by the Los Angeles Lakers (i mean Charlotte and then traded to the Lakers), arguably the best team in the NBA at that time (Van Exel, Jones, Ceballos, Shaq...). So he had a very slow start, starting just 7 times in the first two seasons and averaging 15-20 minutes per game. He became a starter for the Lakers in his 3rd season, when he was 20 years old. And still he was the 2nd team option in offence till the Lakers traded Shaq. LBJ has had a totally different scenario, man. He was a starter in all the 79 games he played in his first season, averaging 40 minutes per game and being the first (and only) offensive weapon of his wack team, who was built around him. So he became a starter from the very beginning, being 19. You can't compare a 2nd team option who played the first 2 season from the bench averaging 15-20 minutes to a player whose team was built around him and who averaged 40 minutes per game from the beginning. That said, don't get me wrong, i'm not a LBJ hater: i do like him a lot, and i think he'll be a superstar in the future. But you just can't do the comparision you did.

Lebron is a SUPERSTAR NOW, not just in the future.   As for this:   "I do agree that you can't compare the total points scored by Kobe till now to the total points scored by Jordan when he was 28-29. But man, the thing you did is uncorrect too, somehow."   

I completely understand what you are saying, and i did the comparison for a reason.  Peeps were saying Kobe is as good as Jordan, has a better outsude shot, more points at a younger age, etc, but its all too hard to speculate as they are too different eras and players didn't come from HS in Jordan's say.  so i did this comparison, because Lebron is clearly better at his current age then Kobe was.  Does it mean he will be better?  Maybe or maybe not. 

^^LOL. But LeBron is NOT better than Kobe was. Kobe was winning titles at LeBron's age...The fact that you compare the two scenerios is absurd. Kobe came to the Lakers the same year as Shaq, right when Eddie Jones was reaching his peak as a starting shooting guard for the team. There is no way Kobe, a rookie out of high school, woulda' gotten the minutes. LeBron came into the league with a heavy push and tons of hype, getting MAJOR minutes for a team that sucked ass. And to tell you the truth, I don't think LeBron is that much better now than he was in his rookie season. Kobe's expansion and growth has been undeniably greater...Either way, Kobe is currently on a whole nother level than LeBron, and that's not even arguable...PeACe

[Antonio_]

No, it isn't.

[hisairness]

I do agree that you can't compare the total points scored by Kobe till now to the total points scored by Jordan when he was 28-29. But man, the thing you did is uncorrect too, somehow. Let me explain: when Kobe was selected straight from high school, it was a totally different NBA. Rookies coming from high school were just 1-2 out of the whole draft, and people didn't even respect them for their decision. The NBA didn't like it (they wanted players to go to College first), the players didn't like it. Plus Kobe was selected by the Los Angeles Lakers (i mean Charlotte and then traded to the Lakers), arguably the best team in the NBA at that time (Van Exel, Jones, Ceballos, Shaq...). So he had a very slow start, starting just 7 times in the first two seasons and averaging 15-20 minutes per game. He became a starter for the Lakers in his 3rd season, when he was 20 years old. And still he was the 2nd team option in offence till the Lakers traded Shaq. LBJ has had a totally different scenario, man. He was a starter in all the 79 games he played in his first season, averaging 40 minutes per game and being the first (and only) offensive weapon of his wack team, who was built around him. So he became a starter from the very beginning, being 19. You can't compare a 2nd team option who played the first 2 season from the bench averaging 15-20 minutes to a player whose team was built around him and who averaged 40 minutes per game from the beginning. That said, don't get me wrong, i'm not a LBJ hater: i do like him a lot, and i think he'll be a superstar in the future. But you just can't do the comparision you did.

Lebron is a SUPERSTAR NOW, not just in the future.   As for this:   "I do agree that you can't compare the total points scored by Kobe till now to the total points scored by Jordan when he was 28-29. But man, the thing you did is uncorrect too, somehow."   

I completely understand what you are saying, and i did the comparison for a reason.  Peeps were saying Kobe is as good as Jordan, has a better outsude shot, more points at a younger age, etc, but its all too hard to speculate as they are too different eras and players didn't come from HS in Jordan's say.  so i did this comparison, because Lebron is clearly better at his current age then Kobe was.  Does it mean he will be better?  Maybe or maybe not. 

^^LOL. But LeBron is NOT better than Kobe was. Kobe was winning titles at LeBron's age...The fact that you compare the two scenerios is absurd. Kobe came to the Lakers the same year as Shaq, right when Eddie Jones was reaching his peak as a starting shooting guard for the team. There is no way Kobe, a rookie out of high school, woulda' gotten the minutes. LeBron came into the league with a heavy push and tons of hype, getting MAJOR minutes for a team that sucked ass. And to tell you the truth, I don't think LeBron is that much better now than he was in his rookie season. Kobe's expansion and growth has been undeniably greater...Either way, Kobe is currently on a whole nother level than LeBron, and that's not even arguable...PeACe

Kobe had a guy named Shaq that did the dirty work.  Kobe was a product of the system...

Lebron may have been hyped up, but he not only lived up to it, but he exceeded it and you can't argue against that.  How many superstars in sports get hype and then have no substance?  However, I do know the media does average about half of Lebrons points and rebounds and also accounts for 2/3 of his assists every game, so he can't be that good...it's all media brainwashing.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^Who said he's not good? LOL...He's simply not on Kobe's level.

[Bay Area Jat]

fuck give LBJ the most dominant center of our generation and im sure he will win just as many rings of Kobe

[hisairness]

^^Who said he's not good? LOL...He's simply not on Kobe's level.

Precisely.  Now you are seeing the light.  He is above Kobe's level. 

And, just so you know, Lebron would've started over Eddie Jones in his prime...

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^^Who said he's not good? LOL...He's simply not on Kobe's level.

Precisely.  Now you are seeing the light.  He is above Kobe's level. 

And, just so you know, Lebron would've started over Eddie Jones in his prime...

LMFAO@that statement on every level.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

fuck give LBJ the most dominant center of our generation and im sure he will win just as many rings of Kobe

Ilgauskas, at one point, was a dominant center in the East. He's not dominating now, but he's still an all-star caliber player. Not saying he's on Shaq's level, but I still don't see Cleveland anywhere CLOSE to winning a title.

[Antonio_]

fuck give LBJ the most dominant center of our generation and im sure he will win just as many rings of Kobe

A little history lesson here. Ilgauskas was an Eastern Conference All-Star when the Cavs selected Lebron. So he had a good center (All-Star) to start his career. Plus he had Carlos Boozer, one of the best big men in the League (on a side note: the Lakers fucked up when they didn't sign him when it was possible). But he didn't make it to the post-season in the wackest conference and division of the NBA. Plus Boozer left. So LBJ wasn't attractive enought for him. The following year, Ilgauskas was selected AGAIN as an Eastern Conference All-Star, so again Lebron had a good co-star. But AGAIN he couldn't make it to the playoff. The Cavs had to sign Larry Hughes in 2005 for Lebron to reach them in his 3rd season. I'm not hating on Lebron, it's just history. Some of you are so quick to write those type of things that makes me laugh. C'mon. Are we talking about the same dude? To be a superstar in a team who plays in the wackest conference and division and who doesn't make it to the postseason is a little bit different that to play the 4th quarters of Game-7 of an NBA playoff. Even Lebron himself knows it.

[GangstaBoogy]

fuck give LBJ the most dominant center of our generation and im sure he will win just as many rings of Kobe

A little history lesson here. Ilgauskas was an Eastern Conference All-Star when the Cavs selected Lebron. So he had a good center (All-Star) to start his career. Plus he had Carlos Boozer, one of the best big men in the League (on a side note: the Lakers fucked up when they didn't sign him when it was possible). But he didn't make it to the post-season in the wackest conference and division of the NBA. Plus Boozer left. So LBJ wasn't attractive enought for him. The following year, Ilgauskas was selected AGAIN as an Eastern Conference All-Star, so again Lebron had a good co-star. But AGAIN he couldn't make it to the playoff. The Cavs had to sign Larry Hughes in 2005 for Lebron to reach them in his 3rd season. I'm not hating on Lebron, it's just history. Some of you are so quick to write those type of things that makes me laugh. C'mon. Are we talking about the same dude? To be a superstar in a team who plays in the wackest conference and division and who doesn't make it to the postseason is a little bit different that to play the 4th quarters of Game-7 of an NBA playoff. Even Lebron himself knows it.

All great points there.

[Antonio_]

You guys gotta realize that the regular season is different from the playoff. In an NBA playoff serie the opponents use to study your team, and adjusts the defence to try to stop you. You have to play on a whole another level to win, and you have to take pressure on you, cause if you loose a game the media will blame it on you. One thing is to be a superstar in them Cavs, and another thing is to be the co-star of Shaq and to play against them Kings, them Spurs, them 76ers, them Blazers, them Pacers.... in classic games that made the recent history of the NBA. With all the pressure on you, with Game-7 on the line, with your team who has to win a game on the road, etc.. Totally another thing. I'd rather have Derek Fisher than Smush Parker, in a team playing the playoff. And Smush averaged more points, more rebounds, more steals, more blocks and he shot extremely better from 2pts and 3pts. Stats don't say everything.

[J @ M @ L]

Stats don't say everything.