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The fucking Iranians just captured 15 British soldiers
Don Rizzle:
you guys are getting ahead of urselfs
1.britian does not want another war, you think they would have gone quietly if we did?
2.no 1 has proved we were in irainian waters.
Elevz:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on March 26, 2007, 03:56:35 AM ---you guys are getting ahead of urselfs
1.britian does not want another war, you think they would have gone quietly if we did?
2.no 1 has proved we were in irainian waters.
--- End quote ---
First of all, there should be no "we". That's the people governing over you, and the army that belongs to that government. What's your place in all this?
"Britain" does not want another war? The British people don't, that's for sure. That's why the government feels the need to save face. But oh yes, the government does want war - just not a war that will make the people turn their backs on the government any more. After all, you're living in a "democracy".
Now, let's reverse your second question. Indeed it wasn't proven that "you" were in Iranian waters. On the other hand, it wasn't proven that "you" weren't. But why would Iran capture a bunch of British marines while they were in Iraq, not posing any threats to them? Remember, Iran is certainly increasing the risks of a new war breaking out. They don't want to feel the pressure of the entire world on their backs; it's best for them to avoid conflict when possible. Do you think these marines were captured out of the blue?
Britain and America may or may not be able to overthrow the Iranian government, but as soon as this becomes an international issue, damn right Iran will have nowhere to go. It could get messy though.
Don Rizzle:
Well i believe Iran just wanted to send a message, saying they can make things even more difficult for us, but more importantly i see this as iran just stomping their feet right now to show off to their domestic audience, who otherwise would be talking about the damage the current regime is causing the iranian economy
when I said Britain does not want another war i mean it, we have warned america not to attack and said we won't join them if they do. In addition Britian doesn't have capabilities to take on another war we are overstretched doing the bulk of the work in helmland while maintaining our symbolic presence in iraq, we could react in the short term but we don't have enough mainpower to sustain a new war on another front indefinately. and yes ur right the british people don't want war either.
Elevz:
Ah yeah, that's a good point actually. They probably don't have the capabilities to fight another war, although I'm not sure how big the reserves of US and UK soldiers back in the homeland are. After all, you're not telling me they sent every single soldier out on missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflict areas.
No matter how expensive war is - they'll find the money and the people to fight if they like. They might even manage to pull it off as justified, if they really care... I don't think a war breaking out soon is impossible, at all. And they will find plenty of allies along the way. Rule number one: never blindly put trust in the words of your leaders.
Don Rizzle:
well we have about 100k in the army, about not sure of the current iraq figure but i believe it is being reduced to about 4k while arganistan is to get more troops which are currently at around 6 or 7k so might rise to 10k we have over comitments but not that substantial. at the hight of the iraq invasion we deployed about 48k troops but that number was quickly scaled back. we also have 2.5k going AWOL each year, although apprenetly iraq isn't the main cause.
to me you sound very biased, all your speculation is being mounted around the british and american motives to attack iran, as iran couldn't have possible done any wrong in this whole affair. Britain is not trying to start a war and we won't be drawn into one with iran either i garentee you that.
Don't forget Tony Blair only has a shelf life until the end of May
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