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The fucking Iranians just captured 15 British soldiers
virtuoso:
"spreading untrue allegations about the british government" ahh you mean the weapons of mass destruction which has been proven to be a complete fabrication. Not just a mistake but a blatant cynical cold calculating lie which has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqi people and the deaths and maimings of tens of thousands of american and british troops. However lets not let facts get in the way of your fantasist view of reality real american...you keep proudly holding on to that flag that was manufactured by chinese slaves. By the way this idea that the government does not hold sway over the BBC is absolute bs, Greg Dyke who was the former director of the BBC was forced to resign over WMD's even though what was he sticking to was the truth.
virtuoso:
11z that is the great paradoxe about BBC journalism, they sometimes broadcast some very deep thought provoking documentaries, yet there are times when they often sound like the mouth piece for government. The news is painted in a very simplistic fashion with clearly a bias being shown towards the party in power. That is not to suggest that they have only ever been Blairs Broasdcasting Company, before the lew labour era they were equally as driven to bias when the conservatives were in power. In fact, when it comes to genuine journalism and by that I am referring to the daily news, you will often find more investigative work being done by the commercial channels than by the BBC. They will deliberately ignore stories altogether to ensure that there is a very certain and predictable pattern to the news.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on March 26, 2007, 03:20:44 PM ---They were not in Iranian waters according to the British Government?
If so you mean the same British Government who helped to created the myth about Iraqis WMD's?
I agree with 11'z how the hell is this a "we" issue, we saw how much we counted when the government defied the will of us and sent british soldiers to the slaughter house in Iraq. "We" see what a disregard the government has for human life when they drop thousands of tonnes of depleted uranium, which destroy the bodies of both the troops and the men women and children. The Gulf Of Tonkin has been publicly declassified as a staged event which never happened, the Roosevelt tapes were released in the 90's proving that Pearl Harbour was not an event which came out of the blue. It was provoked by the actions of the u.s military, finally Japan took the bait and the rest is history.
By the same token we can't take the iranian's word for it either but who stands to gain the most from this?
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i supported the invasion in 2003, and so did albiet a slim majority of the public things may have changed since then
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: Real American on March 28, 2007, 08:29:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 28, 2007, 08:08:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: prominent on March 28, 2007, 08:02:45 AM ---Not everything has to be a conspiracy or a lie, surely it isn't implausible that Iran is in the wrong and the big bad western government and news agencies are reporting the truth.
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That is very true, and the information in this news article may very well be true, but I'm just saying I don't really trust the BBC at all. They seem very talented at twisting the truth at times. They'll have to come up with some real proof, and not just some dodgy news article, to convince me on this one.
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Who exactly does the BBC twist truth against, in your opinion?
I know that a few years ago there was a huge scandal were the BBC was putting out untrue allegations against the British government.
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it wasn't untrue, they broadcast an off the record comment by david kelly which turned out to be true................the bbc got in trouble for not substantiating it that is all.
Don Rizzle:
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 28, 2007, 09:03:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jip on March 28, 2007, 08:53:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on March 28, 2007, 07:36:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jip on March 28, 2007, 06:10:49 AM ---games up for iran
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6501555.stm
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:grumpy: The BBC is known to have spread propaganda before.
Believe in none of what you hear and half of what you see!
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its not propaganda u idiot, this is proof released by UK defence officials
the BBC and the government arent best of budies anyway so they wouldnt be spreading stuff on their behalf
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This is proof of what? Where do you see any proof, because I don't. I'm seeing a lot of talk and some images sketched up. How is that going to prove anything?
Plus, I never said it was propaganda. All I said is that the BBC have spread propaganda before, which basically means they just shouldn't be trusted blindly. It doesn't even matter in whose favor this article works, I don't trust it, especially since the "proof" supplied here is paper thin.
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please give me examples of intentional spread of propagander on the bbc.
I'll tell u this they try to report objectively, no matter if the the story is about the UK, Iran, Iraq or whoever it doesn't matter.
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