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The fucking Iranians just captured 15 British soldiers
virtuoso:
Don the Downing Street Memo confirms that the evidence was being made to fit, i.e they were fabricating an outright lie to hoodwink the population that a real and genuine threat lay there. Examples of this include the Niger claim which even the CIA backed off using but it still found it's way into public addresses. This idea that it was an exaggeration only serves to maintain the illusion that it was a mistake, it was no error of judgement it was pre meditatively decided upon, that Iraq would be attacked with relentless waves of bombings. After which the army would be used to occupy the nation and create military bases from which to then launch further attacks in the future against neighbours. So still the question remains in my mind at least how could you support a pre emptive war against any nation, which is of no threat to the west?
P.S if you go further than this and read http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
The architects of this whole plan are meglomaniacs psychotic cold blooded bastards.
Don Rizzle:
i never said i thought iraq posed a threat, my support was to intervene in a failed state, saddam was an evil man - however i'm not entirely happy about the current situation either, but this could have been avoided if america hadn't disolved all institutions after the invasion, they tried to adopt the an extreme market based approach which the russian example after the fall of the soviet union had already proved to be flawed.
I still support the idea of intervention in failed states, zimbabwe would be at the top of my list if the negotiations with south africa fail
virtuoso:
I don't think anyone would disagree with you in regards to him being an evil man but that was what the west paid him for, the CIA wanted a ruthless cold dictator and they got it. The west has always funded dictatorships it's admitted that it's in their interests to stave off any kind of revolution and so order has to be maintained and the population has to be put in a vice grip of never ending intimidation. Secondly, you might not want to admit it and although I agree with you with regards to the dissolving of the institutions, they knew full well what they were doing by getting rid of the army and government, they knew what chaos it would lead to and that is why they did it. The country has been divided along these sectarian lines, in a way I have to respect the efficient way in which the very fabric of Iraq has been gutted. Any successful occupying army has to create this chaos and hatred in order to firstly justify their continued presence there but also to keep the people at each others throats it's just a classic example of divide and conquer.
IRAN iz Gangsta!:
You wanna know how false BBC can be at times...
they called Persian Gulf...the Arabian gulf at times and since this they're doing it even more. LOL
So there's your moment of truth.
TraceOneInfinite:
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its not blaming the victim, their economic isolation would've been entirely avoidable that is all. by your logic criminals who are in jail are all victims...............................
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So your saying it would be smart for Iran to do the same thing as Sadaam Hussien and allow in UN Weapons Inspectors, and foriegn spy agents, and everything else? Not seek any weapons for self-defense but get falsely accused of having WMD's anyway, and trust Britian and America?
That didn't end up working so well for Sadaam.
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no your saying muslims couldn't possibly ever do anything wrong.
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You didn't answer the question so I'll ask it again.
Since you blame the Iranian government for the economic restrictions that have been placed against them, I was asking if you thought it would be better if they followed Sadaam's strategy and abandon their nuclear ambitions, open the country for weapons inspectors (and spy's), trust US and Britian, yet still get invaded and overthrown in a matter of 3 weeks, only to have it shown that no WMD's existed. Only to have the economic restrictions ultimately lifted after an American puppet regime is installed into power like before with the Shah.
Is that a better strategy?
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