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Tanking games? If only NBA's bad teams were that good
« on: March 29, 2007, 12:25:26 AM »
By JIM LITKE, AP Sports Columnist
March 28, 2007

It's easy to see how fans of the Memphis Grizzlies and just about every team in the NBA's Atlantic Division could get the wrong impression.

Short of a confession, though, there's still no way to prove a team is tanking games. Remember that as the clunkers pile up during the last dozen or so regular-season games remaining on each team's schedule.

Conspiracy theorists love this time of year because the draft matters way more in the NBA than in major league baseball, even more than in the NFL, and more this year than most. It's one of the deepest in a while and likely will be topped by Ohio State's Greg Oden and Texas' Kevin Durant, two guys who need seasoning but could dominate for a decade.

With only five players on the floor, nearly all the league's championships have been won by teams that locked up one or two of the best, and most of those come to town as one of the first six players taken in the draft. Less obvious is whether it's really worth losing games to get there, and if so, how many.

Evidence of teams not giving -- how to put this? -- their all in recent days is scattered all around. The Bucks, languishing near the bottom of the Eastern Conference, shut down two of their best players, Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva, rather than risk letting nagging injuries become chronic ones. Last week the Celtics, who are looking up at the Bucks, left all five starters on the bench as they blew an 18-point lead to lowly Charlotte.

"I was not throwing the game, or anything like that," Boston coach Doc Rivers said.

"I've heard all those questions. Honestly, I got to the point early in the fourth quarter and I turned to the coaches and said to them, 'We are either going to win or lose with this group."'

Not to be outdone, Charlotte played New Jersey a few nights later already minus two injured starters and decided to sit two others, Gerald Wallace and Raymond Felton, for good measure -- and lost.

Conspiracy theorists immediately began arguing whether: a.) Wallace and Felton sat because they needed the rest; b.) Bobcats part-owner Michael Jordan ordered the benchings to improve his own team's chances of losing and thus gaining an extra pingpong ball in the lottery; or c.) since those same Nets are fighting the free-falling Knicks, among others, for the eighth and final playoff spot in the East, Jordan did it because of a lifelong grudge against Knicks coach Isiah Thomas.

It didn't help matters when Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy told the Houston Chronicle earlier this week he had a plan that would keep teams from losing intentionally.

"I don't want to accuse anyone of anything. I would say to take away any possible conflict of interest, everyone should have an equal chance at the top pick all the way down. That way there would be absolutely no question by anybody about anything.

"If it's better for the game, they should do it," Van Gundy added. "I never quite understood why losing is rewarded, other than (for) parity."

But parity is precisely the point.

There's not a business in the land that wouldn't jump at the chance for a do-over every year, but only pro sports makes it a point to grant that wish. Unfortunately, few of those wishes pan out.

Even with a lottery pick, chances of drafting a player who blossoms into a Magic Johnson, Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal or Dwyane Wade are slim. Research by ESPN.com concluded that even a five-game drop in the standings improves a team's chances of landing the top pick in the lottery by only a few percentage points. Few enough, anyway, that it would make a difference "only about once every two decades."

The NBA has explained the math countless times and tweaked the draft rules nearly as often to take away even that incentive. Originally, drafts were based on territorial rights, then the top pick awarded to the winner of a coin flip between the worst teams. After widespread accusations of tanking in the months leading up to the 1984 draft -- the top five picks in order: Hakeem Olajuwon, Sam Bowie, Jordan, Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley -- the league put one envelope for each non-playoff team in a basket and drew out a winner.

The following year, with Patrick Ewing as the top prize, commissioner David Stern pulled the Knicks envelope first and set in motion a rumor that persists to this day -- that the Knicks envelope was stuck in a freezer just before the selection so he'd have no trouble finding it. After the Magic landed O'Neal and Penny Hardaway with the top picks in successive drafts, the NBA tried weighting the lottery so the worst teams' chances improved by giving them more pingpong balls in the hopper.

A lot of good that will do the Knicks. They've played just well enough to stave off Thomas' firing, but since the reprieve, they've dropped six of their last seven heading into Wednesday's home game against Cleveland. Because the Knicks agreed to swap first-round picks with the Bulls in the deal that brought Eddy Curry to New York, they could fall into the lottery and wind up drafting in Chicago's position -- likely somewhere above No. 20 -- instead. But they're certain to have competition.

No less a conspiracy theorist than Dallas owner Mark Cuban saw this coming. Back in January, he asked on his Web site, blogmaverick.com, "Could it be that if the division continues to win at the same percentages that only the Knicks will (have) an incentive not to tank the season and win the division by default?

"Of course," Cuban added, "the chances of any of this are slim, right?"

Right.


Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitke@ap.org

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Re: Tanking games? If only NBA's bad teams were that good
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 12:49:38 AM »
I hate when teams tank. You should ALWAYS play to win. It's just pathetic.
 

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 12:51:54 AM »
Teams gonna tank games too in the beginning of April when it comes to playoffs seed, that's well known
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 12:54:07 AM »
Teams gonna tank games too in the beginning of April when it comes to playoffs seed, that's well known


I don't think anyone purposely wants a lower playoff seed...LOL
 

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 12:56:12 AM »
^^^^^it's not about having a lower seed or not, it's about which team you prefer (actually you compete better with) to play...
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 01:21:03 AM »
^^^^^it's not about having a lower seed or not, it's about which team you prefer (actually you compete better with) to play...


Yea, but I doubt teams actually do that...No one wants to lose going into the playoffs.
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 08:00:45 AM »
^^^^^it's not about having a lower seed or not, it's about which team you prefer (actually you compete better with) to play...


Yea, but I doubt teams actually do that...No one wants to lose going into the playoffs.

The Grizzlies/Clippers game last year was fucking hilarious since neither team wanted to play the Spurs.
 

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Re: Tanking games? If only NBA's bad teams were that good
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 09:00:32 AM »
LMAO @ tanking. That's always funny to me.

Personally...teams shouldn't be rewarded for losing. I damm near think the teams who almost make the playoffs should be "rewarded" just for trying and putting things in motion. How many teams have we seen since 99 that had "young talent" that NEVER amouned to anything until a veteran came?? The Hawks, Clippers, Warriors, and most other teams who have had some bad seasonssince then have always had teams loaded with top picks who never lived to their potential because it was overcrowded with that young talent.

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Re: Tanking games? If only NBA's bad teams were that good
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 09:20:09 AM »
LMAO @ tanking. That's always funny to me.

Personally...teams shouldn't be rewarded for losing. I damm near think the teams who almost make the playoffs should be "rewarded" just for trying and putting things in motion. How many teams have we seen since 99 that had "young talent" that NEVER amouned to anything until a veteran came?? The Hawks, Clippers, Warriors, and most other teams who have had some bad seasonssince then have always had teams loaded with top picks who never lived to their potential because it was overcrowded with that young talent.
the Raptors have turned things around with young talent this year. i really can't think of any other team though
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 10:16:50 AM »
I dont see how an NBA athlete could tank a game and be able to live with it, but the 5 mill a year probably makes them feel a lil better. I still dont truly beleive these guys are tanking games

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 10:35:53 AM »
^^^^^it's not about having a lower seed or not, it's about which team you prefer (actually you compete better with) to play...


Yea, but I doubt teams actually do that...No one wants to lose going into the playoffs.

The Grizzlies/Clippers game last year was fucking hilarious since neither team wanted to play the Spurs.


Yea, last year with the seeding rules. that's why they changed it...
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 10:38:11 AM »
LMAO @ tanking. That's always funny to me.

Personally...teams shouldn't be rewarded for losing. I damm near think the teams who almost make the playoffs should be "rewarded" just for trying and putting things in motion. How many teams have we seen since 99 that had "young talent" that NEVER amouned to anything until a veteran came?? The Hawks, Clippers, Warriors, and most other teams who have had some bad seasonssince then have always had teams loaded with top picks who never lived to their potential because it was overcrowded with that young talent.


Damn, that's actually a pretty damn good idea...Give the top picks to the teams who just missed the playoffs. That way teams will actually improve and good draft picks wont be wasted on terrible franchises. Or they can make the odds the same for everyone who missed the playoffs...I wouldn't mind seeing that.
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 10:39:48 AM »
LMAO @ tanking. That's always funny to me.

Personally...teams shouldn't be rewarded for losing. I damm near think the teams who almost make the playoffs should be "rewarded" just for trying and putting things in motion. How many teams have we seen since 99 that had "young talent" that NEVER amouned to anything until a veteran came?? The Hawks, Clippers, Warriors, and most other teams who have had some bad seasonssince then have always had teams loaded with top picks who never lived to their potential because it was overcrowded with that young talent.
the Raptors have turned things around with young talent this year. i really can't think of any other team though


The Raptors got a major boost from veteran Anthony Parker...
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2007, 11:58:54 AM »
I think tanking games is something a lot of teams do (right now) and have done in the past.
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Re: Tanking games? If only NBA's bad teams were that good
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2007, 03:09:51 PM »
Tony Mejia's take on the idea.
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/10093915