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Life now vs. Life then

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Elevz:
Coming from the "when nas said...." (Hip-Hop Is Dead) thread in the outbound sections, but I felt like it would be too much off topic to post there - so let's continue this here Tanjib!


--- Quote from: 11z Is Fuckin' Serious About This! on April 10, 2007, 07:25:17 AM ---I think he was more speaking on a mental level, about hiphop being morally dead. That's not just the music; it's the people in it. That's from a lack of moral value. You can easily replace the Hip-Hop in the album's title with anything though, because life on a whole ain't that high on moral values right now.
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--- Quote from: Tanjibility-The Dangerous Crew Movement on April 11, 2007, 01:17:52 PM ---Elevz: do you really think the world is worse than it was before? IMO, the world has always had good and bad, alot of both. What makes our time special? Nothing, humans have selective memory...we remember the classics and forget the bullshit, it's why the past is rose colored.
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I guess the roses from my past are withered, because I don't really hold my childhood that highly. Thing is, when compared with what I see of children growing up right now, they're fucking pathetic. You can barely call that living.. When I grew up, I found my mother at home when I came back from school! She made sandwiches for me, she tightened my coat when it got cold. These kids now stay at school all day, waiting for their parents to come home from work, and in the mean time they watch brainless cartoons and what not. I used to play with old curtains and furniture when I was a kiddie.
But is today's world really still capable of allowing kids to grow up happily? Can we still enjoy, and live it to the fullest without feeling forced to live up to certain impossible standards and expectations? Shit, look at the insane amounts of wannabe players in the G-Spot now boasting about how it's man's nature to cheat on his special lady. Look at the decline in popular culture overall. Where the fuck are the classic movies and classic albums? I haven't seen any new classics in a long fucking time; where have the standards of popular culture gone? And look at how fat people are, look at how obsessed they are, look at how lazy they are, look at how ignorant they are...

I find a certain passion in objecting and struggling against it, instead of indulging. It's ignorance rather than anything else, but it gives me something to believe in. Rather than casting votes by sms for some contest on tv. Rather than living to be the fittest person on the planet. Rather than living to make a lot of money and buy a big house with a bubblebath and a fast car. There's no life in these physical objects. It means nothing, except for the people of a braindead society.

I'll struggle - see where I can make a change. It gives life meaning, no matter how bittered it may seem at first. There's a stong, passionate belief behind it.

Tanjential:
There has always been children that have deprived childhoods and nice ones. I had a pretty good one too, like the one you described.

But check it: how fat people are, how obssessed they are, decline of civilization

do you recall the fall of the Roman empire? There are books coming out lately talking about America as a modern roman empire and in the stages of empire we are in the last one: decadence, reveling in its own economic superiority/lack of morals...this is all cycles that has always happened. and even though you're not in america, america being the number one superpower unfortunately infects the rest of society but it's JUST like Rome's empire back in the day.

Men justifying infidelity through nature? always has happened, from plato to the frisco pimp writer of the 60's Iceberg slim to now.

I agree we should struggle against negativity and be positive, but that's irrelevant to the circumstance. the key to life is to find your own personal balance/peace regardless of the surroundings because if it's that subject to the surrounding circumstance then your peace/balance is not that stable. to me that is the struggle of life, to live the life you want to live despite what is around you. and if you were born 1000 years ago or now, there would be an equal potential for positivity and negativity.

-T

Elevz:
Me not being in America only makes things worse, because it perfectly depicts how bad things might get around me in the near future, and how much worse things will get globally. It's scaring, not to know who or what's really going on behind it, knowing who the struggle's against. Is it big corporations that influenced people to live like this? Government propaganda? Or is it really only natural for society to evolve like this?

You're a genius for pointing out the similarities with the Roman empire. Times were different back then though - I don't think propaganda was that heavy on people back then as it is now. Science was random back then. I assume lives then weren't changing as fast as they are now.


--- Quote from: Tanjibility-The Dangerous Crew Movement on April 11, 2007, 03:12:31 PM ---Men justifying infidelity through nature? always has happened, from plato to the frisco pimp writer of the 60's Iceberg slim to now.
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Maybe I'm too much of an objectivist: if it ain't pure, how will it ever be good? Weren't marriages better when couples didn't go around threatening each other with divorce all the time? Back when loving was a normal thing to do - simply to love - wasn't that enough for sheer happiness? Is this whole revival of a promiscuous lifestyle something to glorify, or is it our own most self-destructive value, totally destroying happiness and joy on a whole?

Moral values are dead man, and as a result we're destroying ourselves. Who knows what comes next, but I can't see the next 50 years getting much better either. I'm not sure I want to see my seed growing up like this. In fact, I don't.


--- Quote from: Tanjibility-The Dangerous Crew Movement on April 11, 2007, 03:12:31 PM ---I agree we should struggle against negativity and be positive, but that's irrelevant to the circumstance. the key to life is to find your own personal balance/peace regardless of the surroundings because if it's that subject to the surrounding circumstance then your peace/balance is not that stable. to me that is the struggle of life, to live the life you want to live despite what is around you. and if you were born 1000 years ago or now, there would be an equal potential for positivity and negativity.
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Deep, and very true... I didn't know you were a Taoist ;)

But really, the life I want to lead (or the life I'm made to want to lead) is one of impact. I want to carry out those feelings, no matter how contradictory they are. Because really, I'm fighting against myself here. I'm part of something I want to destroy. I'm all against this whole "I want to make it big"-attitude, but in reality I've got the same feelings. Just no cars and big houses, no explicit bankroll - but I'm still striving for the biggest, just like everybody else. To leave a lasting impression, only then with a positive impact.

I guess there's no point in me crossing out the negative surroundings, when that's all I can depend on. I might as well throw the Tao-Tê-Ching out the window. In the end, I still gotta breathe in oxygen.

Tanjential:
moral values are only as dead as you let them be. if you look to the rest of the world for examples, of course you'll come up short because you can always distrust...you can only trust yourself to truly abide by such values. and if you do, then they live. and that goes for everyone, thus they have just as much of a chance to live and die as they did 1000 years ago as they do now.

i wish i was the one that pointed out the roman empire stuff, but i heard it from alot of people.

best believe propaganda was heavy back then. at least in the western world today, we act like there's civil rights and freedom of expression. the roman emperors propagated no such illusions.

furthermore, I'd like to make a positive impact too, but first of all i need to find peace with myself before I can go around distributing peace and positivity to the rest of the world, you know?

-T

Don Rizzle:
*waits for brian to come in argueing we should start stoning people and chopping off their limbs*

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