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Virginia: 32 Shot Dead In School Shootout
Chief:
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on April 19, 2007, 03:04:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on April 19, 2007, 12:29:36 AM ---wow
on CNN there are people saying 'if america has less strenuous gun laws, and everyone carried a gun, this may have never happened'
americans are fuckin retarded, you guys really think like that?
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haha
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yeah man, the whole gun mentality i'll never understand.. it's FUCKING CRAZY.
AndrE16686:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 19, 2007, 07:56:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: The Watcher on April 19, 2007, 12:29:36 AM ---we had a gun amnesty and people had to hand in all their guns (except for ones being left at a shooting range) and now we haven't had a massacre since
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That's the same logic that republicans use for terrorist attacks; "well we got hit on 9/11 then Bush implemented the patriot act and we invaded Iraq because they sponsored the attacks and we haven't had an attack since". Remember the Simpsons episode where a bear gets loos in town and the town responds with raising taxes to start up a bear patrol police unit. That's what things like this are; Bear Patrol. They take things that are rare occassions but devastating and they fool the people in their time of grief, then they strip them of rights and money and they laugh all the way to the bank praising the idea that it never happened again.
Of course in your case you may be a liar. I take it you are talking about Martin John Bryant who killed so many in 96. Well 5 years before that Wade Frankum did something of the sort at the Strathfield Plaza. 4 or 5 years before that in 87 Frank Vitkovic did something of the sort on Queen Street. That same year was the Hoddle Street massacre. But before '87 there was nothing of the sort in Australia. Every other massacre had to with a war of some kid, whether it be a land war or a gang war. So instead of looking to see how it was handled after '96 with Bryant why don't people focus on what happened before '87 and why so many years went by with out incident. I mean over 100 years of nothing like this when guns were readily aquired and used in the old days compared to 11 years? Does that make sense?
By the way, how is it that you failed to mention the Monash University incident that happened about 4 or 5 years after Bryant? Huan Yun Xiang had 5 hand guns at his disposal and walked into a classroom. 2 were killed and 5 were wounded. Why weren't more killed? Because when he stopped to reload after the first set of shots a lecturer who had been shot grabbed his hand while a king fu trained student tackled him. If not for these brave men who acted when the opportunity came then a lot more would have died. So much for you amnesty theory since the two gun incidents surrounding Bryant came about 5 or 6 years before and 5 or 6 years after Bryant. If something like this happens again this year or in '08 then I suggest you go to your government and demand a revision of the bear patrol act.
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I think every Australian will agree, we are safer from gun violence because we have strict gun laws. there may still be killings, but less then what would be if guns were readily available, It really isn't that hard to understand. Same thing with weed, although I love weed and smoke it heavily (decriminalised) I would not vote to legalise it, if it was legal it would be an even bigger problem.
But word. I get what you're saying:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 19, 2007, 03:33:58 PM --- The market is just too strong and too willing to pay for organized crime smugglers to ignore. It's fine now because most of it is legal. Machine guns aren't used for anything historically but combat. They were never part of the culture, so the market isn't there for them. How many people ever really kept machine guns around the house? Too Americans would go crazy if you just took away all the guns.
The same people that bring in the cocaine and heroin would bring in guns and the same people that sell the coke and heroin would sell the guns, so if this kid Cho could find a coke dealer he'd be able to find a gun link.
All that being said, whether you are right or I am right. We both agree that it would not have prevented a mass murder at Virginia.
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Fuck Your Existence:
i dont know wtf to think anymore on the real..some kid just got busted on right across the street today..i was just chillin and heard "pop,pop,pop"..i turned the t.v. off heard someone say somethin and it was quiet like a muh fucker. So i wasnt trippin cuz i hear gunshots all the damn time...then what seemed like forever(almost forgot about the shots) i heard the cops actin like they give a shit mashin down the street..me and my girl bail outside and some teenage dude is layin down in a driveway across the street...crazy ass shit. Of course nobody seen shit but there was a gang of fools outside. Crazy shit,i dont know what the solution is but the people that got elected to handle this shit damn sure dont know either....
DUB-C:
The wild wild amerikkka at its best!
I like amerikka, black on black crime,guns all over the place,crooked cops, c.i.a providin cocaine to ghetto youths and so on
beautiful country for sho
Al Bundy:
--- Quote from: whynot on April 20, 2007, 02:27:25 PM ---The wild wild amerikkka at its best!
I like amerikka, black on black crime,guns all over the place,crooked cops, c.i.a providin cocaine to ghetto youths and so on
beautiful country for sho
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and you live in a perfect world?
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