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Fuck Your Existence:
thanks to the media it will be an all out war against guns...you will have several "celebrity's" (who for some reason are worshiped like gods) "taking a stand" and the American public will eat it up.

Narrator:


Looks like he wants to be Chow Yun-Fat in "The Killer".  Crazy-ass chink...


--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 18, 2007, 02:58:11 PM ---Surely the point is guns were banned from the campus in the first place, meaning that if some nut or for that matter criminal. decides he or she is going to kill a bunch of people, then the law abiding people are left totally at the mercy of the gun barrel.
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Yeah, they wouldn't BE at the mercy of a gun barrel in the first place if guns weren't so easy to get.  How difficult is this to understand?  Have you ever considered that maybe some people would rather not have to live in a country where they need a gun to protect themselves?  I'm certainly not opposed to gun ownership myself (obviously, I need guns to kill all the crackers like Real American and Trauma and yourself), but I respect the right of people to want to live in a world where they don't have to stay strapped just to get through the day.

Seriously, what kinda fucked-up world would that be?  Sadly, thanks to the efforts of people like you, that's precisely how America is today, so good job.

virtuoso:

With over 200 million guns in circulation though it is pointless debating the question should they be have been so easy to obtain in the first place. The fact is they are and leaving people defenceless only leads to these types of masscacres.

Narrator:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 18, 2007, 03:37:13 PM ---
With over 200 million guns in circulation though it is pointless debating the question should they be have been so easy to obtain in the first place. The fact is they are and leaving people defenceless only leads to these types of masscacres.

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Yeah, but at the very least, the important thing is to cut down on the number of guns in circulation, and the best way to do that is with registration and licensing so that guns can't be resold so easily in "straw purchases" or other illegal transactions.  Notice that this also doesn't mean law-abiding people won't be able to buy guns...it'll just be a somewhat lengthier process.  The moment a national gun registry is established in the U.S. and if 90% of the population followed it (which they probably would), there would be very few new guns entering black market channels.  Coupled with the fact that police confiscate and destroy hundreds of thousands of firearms every year, the supply of guns on the black market would decrease tremendously in just a few years, while prices would gradually increase until fewer and fewer criminals could afford them.

So obviously, there would be any IMMEDIATE effect, but it would be part of a long-term strategy that would eventually reduce gun crime by a significant amount.

virtuoso:
If criminals want to get hold of guns though, they will, using europe to illustrate the point is pointless purely and simply, because there has never really been mass gun ownership. Therefore controlling guns has never been that much of a problem, the big big problem in gun registration, is stopping someone from having a gun because they have a criminal record. Just on a practical common sense basis, millions of those with a criminal record will have gained it through petty crimes. The problem with such centralisation, is the government has proved over and over again they can not be trusted and give away that much power and it will be abused. What I mean is, as soon as a major precedent is set, moves come into place to incrementally expand this law and in the long term most people can longer own a gun. However there will still be millions of guns available on the black market...the peaceful people will be even more at risk. 

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