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virtuoso:
If you go on the basis of 100 million owning weapons, admittedly the figures vary but some of the figures have been ascertained from interviews and of course some people are bound to lie under such circrumstances, therefore I have taken something of an approximation on that one, 97 people were killed in switzerland in 1992 when approximately a million people owned a gun. (going on todays population figure)  Multiply this figure by 100 million and you get a figure of 9700 murders . I don't know how many handgun murders there are in america but it's higher than ten thousand and plus as I mentioned before it does not take into account the massive inequality which exists in america and this is underlined by the majority of the crime being concentrated around the poor black neighbourhoods.

As I asked before, where have i mentioned anything which can be considered conspiracy rubbish?

Narrator:
^^^^^^^^^^ Here:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm

Confirms nearly everything I have said...Switzerland's handgun murder rate is 1.42 per 100,000 compared to 5.28 for the U.S.  The same site also indicates that Switzerland had 97 handgun murders in 1992 (as you've said) while the U.S. had 13,429.  Keep in mind that that number has most likely decreased since the Brady Bill was passed in 1994, and I imagine Swiss gun laws have also become stricter as well.

I think your problem is that you used two unrelated sets of data...you confuse handgun ownership with TOTAL gun ownership.  100 million people in America don't own handguns...something like 80 million own guns and of those, I think about 25 million own handguns.  The rest are hunters and farmers who own shotguns and rifles, plus a very tiny proportion that own assault rifles.  Likewise, do a million people own a GUN generic term (remember, a lot of those Swiss people own government-issued assault rifles) or a HANDGUN?

virtuoso:
I think that when the CIA details handguns they are reporting on it because that is the problem. Hunters and farmers are not the ones responsible for gun crime except for pockets of incidents..Like you said assault rifle ownership is a very small minority of people. The figure you just mentioned of 80 million is indeed a reported figure but then you will also see figures in excess of 80 million. Like I said, these figures are largely based on interviews, it's reasonable to assume that some people would get nervous and respond that they do not own a gun when they do.

Narrator:
^^^^^^ Either way, Switzerland's rate of gun crime is not as high as America's.

Of course farmers and hunters aren't responsible for gun crime, and in general, it's rare that rifles or shotguns are used either.  I think I remember hearing something like 85% of gun murders in the U.S. are committed with handguns, and I imagine the rate for total gun crime (non-lethal incidents) is probably about the same.  Obviously, long guns aren't useful because of their length, the only exceptions begin sawed-off shotguns or assault rifles with short barrels and folding stocks.

virtuoso:
Yes I know, my initial post was a bit rash but you would still be dealing with a great deal number of people dead if there was the same amount of gun ownership as in america. If Switzerland had the same level of inequality also, then you might see an even greater similarity in terms of the ratio of owners to deaths.

Although nothing can be as ridiculous as making carrying a knife such a "horrible offence" over here, that is the craziest example of victim disarmament. I remember reading in the london telegraph about how the cops trick young women into admitting they carry a knife and then off to jail they go, meanwhile the criminals will carry knives regardless. At the end of the day any way you cut it if even some of the people were allowed to have a weapon on the campus then this crazy fuck would have been taken down. I can't believe the media is going to spin this to demonise guns, it's unbelievable.

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