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Quote from: So Glorious on May 16, 2007, 12:34:00 PMWhy do people want to vote for Obama cuz hes black.nope, because he has something that we want to follow, he offers hope, his someone different. If you want Ron Paul you might as well look at Barry Goldwater, or even Ronald Reagan had some libratarian in him. Obama is a liberal, but on top of that, he is not afraid of speaking about changing the way things are, even if it's unpopular. He was against the war in 2002. Lets talk current; Obama went to a Detroit meeting, and remember Michigan has voted Democrat every year since 1992 and the labor unions there are so powerful there thanks to the UAM (United Auto Workers). This man walked up to a standing ovation, because traditionally Mid-Western Democrats are strong union people and Obama has had a strong union past in his voting. But instead of talking about union rights, and strengthing Detroits workers, this man walked in and said Detroit has to change, and that change has to have better fuel efficient cars that can compete with Japan. This made many in the crowd uneasy, and the mayor of Detroit, who is also black and is called the first Hip-Hop major city mayor, straight up said he has not thrown his support for Obama. Obama spoke the truth, even to people who are traditionally friendly to Democrats, and a mayor who would in any other year support him to no end, and in turn it might cost him 18 electoral votes if he wins the nomination. But I would rather support a man like Obama than a man who wants to cut all taxes when I myself have been helped by welfare when my mom was on drugs, by free lunches at school, but medicare until I was 18, by food stamps when I was growing up, and once I got to college, but student aid in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in loans and grants. My life is basically paid by tax dollars, and without it, I would more than likely followed my families business of drug dealing, and other ways to feed my family. So there is no way in the world I would EVER support Ron Paul.
Why do people want to vote for Obama cuz hes black.
Quote from: M Dogg on May 16, 2007, 01:18:06 PMQuote from: So Glorious on May 16, 2007, 12:34:00 PMWhy do people want to vote for Obama cuz hes black.nope, because he has something that we want to follow, he offers hope, his someone different. If you want Ron Paul you might as well look at Barry Goldwater, or even Ronald Reagan had some libratarian in him. Obama is a liberal, but on top of that, he is not afraid of speaking about changing the way things are, even if it's unpopular. He was against the war in 2002. Lets talk current; Obama went to a Detroit meeting, and remember Michigan has voted Democrat every year since 1992 and the labor unions there are so powerful there thanks to the UAM (United Auto Workers). This man walked up to a standing ovation, because traditionally Mid-Western Democrats are strong union people and Obama has had a strong union past in his voting. But instead of talking about union rights, and strengthing Detroits workers, this man walked in and said Detroit has to change, and that change has to have better fuel efficient cars that can compete with Japan. This made many in the crowd uneasy, and the mayor of Detroit, who is also black and is called the first Hip-Hop major city mayor, straight up said he has not thrown his support for Obama. Obama spoke the truth, even to people who are traditionally friendly to Democrats, and a mayor who would in any other year support him to no end, and in turn it might cost him 18 electoral votes if he wins the nomination. But I would rather support a man like Obama than a man who wants to cut all taxes when I myself have been helped by welfare when my mom was on drugs, by free lunches at school, but medicare until I was 18, by food stamps when I was growing up, and once I got to college, but student aid in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in loans and grants. My life is basically paid by tax dollars, and without it, I would more than likely followed my families business of drug dealing, and other ways to feed my family. So there is no way in the world I would EVER support Ron Paul.I understand your point. It's typically working Americans who are pro tax-cut. I lose 1/3 of my paycheck to income taxes. I busted my ass, my parents busted their ass, and yet we are forced to give away a SIGNIFICANT portion of our money every two weeks to taxes. Now I believe that there are worthwhile programs for helping people who truly need it, and I think there are bullshit programs that are expolited by people to get a free ride, never take responsibility for their actions, and blame all of their problems on someone / something else. I've had drug users in my family, I've had alcoholics in my family, and I HAVE family members (my dad's sister, mother) that receive welfare and the only other way they get money is going downtown and volunteering their bodies for medical testing. These same relatives also don't do much more than buy Cigarettes and go to Bingo, and the River Casino and blow all of their money and then they turn to the rest of the family to "Please give them a little money so they can eat". My dad has bought their house for them, paid their bills and constantly said "Ok, I'm gonna do this, but I'm not gonna do it again". After doing that for 15 years, he moved 2000 miles away because he could no longer make himself support their habits. No matter how much he gave, no matter how many governement checks they received, they NEVER learned their lesson. I love them, but unfortunately they deserve anything that happens as a result of that lifestyle. I don't feel sorry for them, and I don't think my Dad, nor anyone else should cut 1/3 of their paycheck that they have nearly killed themselves earning, to support these leeches.But lets try this...How would you feel about your welfare money no longer being valuable enough to buy you the basic things you need? Our taxes are funneled into many programs that don't include welfare, programs that are nothing more than bureaucratic bullshit. And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt. Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS. Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again.
Sometimes I think a more nationalized economy wouldn't seem like such a bad idea to most Americans if it wasn't for the fact that so much of our money goes into military spending. While most of the Western world spends a lot on their armed forces, the U.S. spends more than just about all of them put together. Since that's how it is, many of the crackers are scared of the idea of spending more money on social and economic reforms. It's only in that respect (the idea of returning to an isolationist policy) that I can agree with Ron Paul.
And we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt. Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS. Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again.
Quote from: Jrome Is Officially Voting for Ron Paul 2008! on May 16, 2007, 10:02:00 PMAnd we largely fund these programs through taxes as well as further borrowing, hence our $6 TRILLION debt. Saudi Arabia and China OWN OUR ASS. Paul's core campaign is based on eliminating these very programs, cut spending, and strengthening the dollar again. Do you really think that's the case? I wouldn't be suprised if all the money coming from those countries is inofficially taken, not borrowed. I mean what is their damn interest in lending so much money? There must be some "hidden" purpose behind it.