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D-Lyte:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 06, 2007, 08:17:07 PM ---
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The version of Hitler (and other politicians) on why they lost is because they didn't get enough support from home. That theory is called "Dolchstoßlegende" (trans.: the legend about being backstabbed with a dagger). A lot of politicians at home thought the war was unwinnable and openly spoke out against generals and Wilhelm. Those people were later refered to as "Die Novemberverbrecher" (trans.: the criminals of november [in reference to the capitulation in november 1918]) and accused of treason. Anti-semitism was of course involved here too, like with pretty much everything Hitler had his hands in.
I don't know if Hitler ever publically stated his view on Kaiser Wilhelm. But I do know this: He said that when Germany gave up in 1918 and when the treaty of Versailles happened, that was precisely the time when he decided to become a politician. He was 1. really disappointed because the "traitors"/"leftists"/"democrats"/Novemberverbrecher" ... whatever you wanna call them, turned their back on Wilhelm which ultimately led to capitulation and 2. very upset with how insane the treaty of Versailles was. When he became a politician and had his first speeches and shit, he claimed to go to France, go to Versailles and force them to terminate that treaty. That's why many people voted for him. And he actually really did that.
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Thanks for the info, it sounds to me like Hitler didn't blame Kaiser Wilhelm for the WW1 loss, but rather the rest of Germany that didn't give him enough support. So, is there anything you can tell me at all about the role the Jews might have played in Germany to cause the Germans to lose WW1, anything that might have caused the Nazi's to be bitter towards them?
Also, was Hitler mad at the Jews for their behaivor against Germany in WW1, or for things they did after WW1, or both? Can you explain more?
I appreciate any information you have cause I've been reading a lot these past several months about WW1 cause of the Ottoman Empire relationship with Germany, and your the first German I've talked to about all this.
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Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
Jip:
hitlers policy was basically germany for germans, not the muslims, hitler turned his back on russia, after invading the first few countries during WW2.
americas presence was much needed in europe during ww2.
brian the stuff your talking about is bollocks, if u want some interesting stuff, ive got a book with interview from people who survived ww2 and what they went through, one of them being my great grandad who survived 2 world wars, and how he shanked germans on the regular so you could have your fucking internet and post this shit
GimmeYourShoes:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 05, 2007, 09:28:32 PM ---I would actually attribute the Allied victory over Germany/Ottomans to Russia and Britian more than US, and in the aftermath it's possible Russia could have done more harm to Germany than US, but I haven't researched that aspect much.
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Russia fought miserably against Germany and Austria-Hungary in the eastern front. Economical chaos and starvation led to takeover of Bolsheviks' in Russia which led Russia to drop off the war in January 1918. WWI ended in November 1918.
British managed to hold their positions in the western front but I believe that they would have lost in the end because Germany had more units to invest in western front since Russia quited the war.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: D-Lyte on June 07, 2007, 11:28:55 AM ---
Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
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First of all, there's no way that you can tell me the German Jews didn't do anything. Zionism was becoming very popular at the time, and there was an oppurtunity being promised to them by the allied forces for a homeland in Palestine, so you can't tell me the German Jews just hung out and did nothing. I know many Jews served in the war to fight against the Ottomans.
Secondly, did I ever say Hitler loved Muslims? That's not the issue here, I was trying to find out more info about the German's perspective in WW1. You keep talking about Hilter, because all you were taught in your stupid 9th grade history class was that he was a big bad monster who killed Jews for no reason. Maybe part of that is true, but it's not the whole story. And actually I'm not really even talking about Hitler so much here, I'm actually more concerned with the WW1 era, and the fall out of that war.
I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".
^^Now, that could have just been said to gain the Ottomans support in WW1. And it is possible that if Germany would have won, they might have then looked to gain control over the Ottomans lands and attacked them as well. It is possible.
My position would be that Ottomans probably should have stayed nuetral and protected themselves during the war.
D-Lyte:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on June 07, 2007, 01:47:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: D-Lyte on June 07, 2007, 11:28:55 AM ---
Point is the Jews didn't do anything. Matter of fact they fought with the Germans in WWI, 'cause they were German citizens. But Infinite I don't wanna' destroy your dreams or nothin' but Hitler didn't except the Moslems. They were like animals for the Germans. The German race was superior and Germany was foreseen to rule the world, that's what Hitler said. Even if Germany would've won, they would never have shared their power with the Ottoman Empire man, believe me. As soon as they'd won they would've fucked the Ottoman Empire up too. And back to the Jews, they really didn't do anything Hitler was just mad and jealous, 'cause all the high positions in banking and finance were run by Jews. He just needed someone to blame for Germany's fucked up situation after the World Economy went down.
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First of all, there's no way that you can tell me the German Jews didn't do anything. Zionism was becoming very popular at the time, and there was an oppurtunity being promised to them by the allied forces for a homeland in Palestine, so you can't tell me the German Jews just hung out and did nothing. I know many Jews served in the war to fight against the Ottomans.
Secondly, did I ever say Hitler loved Muslims? That's not the issue here, I was trying to find out more info about the German's perspective in WW1. You keep talking about Hilter, because all you were taught in your stupid 9th grade history class was that he was a big bad monster who killed Jews for no reason. Maybe part of that is true, but it's not the whole story. And actually I'm not really even talking about Hitler so much here, I'm actually more concerned with the WW1 era, and the fall out of that war.
I know Kaiser Wilhelm liked Muslims because he's quoted as saying he was impressed in his travels through the Ottoman Empire in 1904 and if he hadn't had a religion before travelling, he says "I would have converted to Islam".
^^Now, that could have just been said to gain the Ottomans support in WW1. And it is possible that if Germany would have won, they might have then looked to gain control over the Ottomans lands and attacked them as well. It is possible.
My position would be that Ottomans probably should have stayed nuetral and protected themselves during the war.
No it ain't just 9th grade history class, I know what I'm talking about. Has nothin' to do with school. And yeah the Jews didn't do anything they lived like regular Germans, only difference was their religion and the high income they had.
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