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Chief:
^yeah but think about it, if the fear mongering wasnt present, we'd probably go about our normal lives and the shit would get worse.

there is an epidemic (perhaps not as severe as the media would have us believe), either way we are polluting way too much. whether there is fear mongering or not is beside the point, shit needs to get done and we need to start now.


--- Quote from: 11z on June 09, 2007, 06:29:36 AM ---Are you even capable of spelling your own name? Let go of the politics man, before you embarass yourself any further.

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i presumed its an alias?

D-Lyte:
No wonder this dude's a Bush fan. Ha ha ha damn that's just stupid shit you talkin' about, listen to 11z you should stay away from politics fool.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Chief on June 09, 2007, 07:39:23 AM ---^yeah but think about it, if the fear mongering wasnt present, we'd probably go about our normal lives and the shit would get worse.

there is an epidemic (perhaps not as severe as the media would have us believe), either way we are polluting way too much. whether there is fear mongering or not is beside the point, shit needs to get done and we need to start now.


--- Quote from: 11z on June 09, 2007, 06:29:36 AM ---Are you even capable of spelling your own name? Let go of the politics man, before you embarass yourself any further.

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i presumed its an alias?




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Sure, but if we spend trillions to stop co2 and then we find out that co2 is not the cause, all we did was waste money, hike electricty bills, make polticians skimming off the top a lot richer, help a lot of companies go out of business and put people out of jobs, AND CAUSE MORE ACTUAL POLLUTION.

There is a huge downside to all this. I just think that when it's all said and done technology will get to the point where we don't pollute because it won't be cost effective and global warming will be our generations nuclear winter.

Even if they're right and co2 is the main problem they're going to spend a lot more money than they need to rushing the whole thing.

Chief:
i didnt say we need to drop everything and dedicate all resources to cutting out CO2 emmissions, but i think the reason they use such strong messages about world pollution, is because we have been fucking the world up a lil too much for too long. and i think it has gotten the ball rolling.

i dont know about the states, but over here recycling has become prominent, and there are talks of an upgraded kyoto agreement.

even if there is no crisis, steps need to be taken to improve the health of the world.

virtuoso:

If this is really a campaign about saving the poor earth from imminent destruction, then why is there blanket ignorance given to the effects of dropping literally hundreds of thousands of tonnes of depleted uranium onto Kosovo, onto Bosnia, onto Croatia, onto Iraq, Afghanistan? This is ignored by not just the politicians but also by the environmentalists. the same environmentalists who will decry anything else. It's not like the effects of depleted uranium are some far fetched fantasy tale. Dr Doug Rokke who was appointed as the head expert to clean up the depleted uranium mess which had been left after the first gulf war. produced hand books which were to be given to each and every soldier showing them how to decontaminate an area, yet now the arny do not even issue the hand books anymore. Instead, the troops are told it's only a "slight danger" because DU is only alpha articles (meaning they can not seep into the skin) these soldiers don't even realise that the lethal danger posed by millions of  DU particles exploding from each shell fired, is realised when the soldiers breath in this deadly toxic. That is the human impact, but also the devasting environmental impact of the usage of depleted uranium must be off the charts, because when you drop DU onto an area you leave that area radioactive for millions of years.

That is one facet to this, the other facet is the bizarre disturbing obsession of using genetically modified crops. Genetic modification requires the complete modfication of a gene, splicing one gene with another. In the instance of chimera potatoes, it was revealed by a leading british scientist that this was creating terrible new unforseen consequences, (namely cancers) yet when he went public, he was lambasted and sacked. Again if it's about the poor earth, what effect do you think altering a gene structure will have on animals and insects? hmm i wonder and what of the new super weeds which have been inadvertently created?

As for the carbon tax, this is just the pretext for a global uniformed tax under the banner of saving the poor earth. Firstly this has not even been conclusively proved, obviously mankind does contribute but if you studied this in a little more detail, you would realise there are many scientists who argue that the over riding cause of the earth warming is the sun. It would be fair to say that opinion is divided on this issue and as we have divided opinion, then surely common sense would state that much more investigation need to undertaken into what is really causing climate change. At the moment, you could either summise that this head long chase into a global tax is a kneejerk reaction, or scientists who question the real effects are sidelined because it derails the agenda and thus must be ignored and demonised.

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