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7even:
I'm going to give my take on this later, when I'm more in the mood of posting something longer, lol





--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 15, 2007, 02:51:17 PM ---We should have a separate thread about the Trinity... since this thread is about something totally different, but just to point something out really quick...


"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one".  (Mark 12:29)

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."  (Mark 10:18)


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Shallow:
I don't usually discuss areas like this because it relies too much on the unknown, but the way I choose to see it is like this; God the father isn't like a man in heaven calling shots. It's more like an energy that created the universe and still resides all around us. The son, Jesus in this case, would be the result of the energy transporting itself directly into a vessel and speaking, giving direct orders untarnished by the weakness of man, and the holy spirit would be the energy that lives inside of us that we look to for guidance. So I guess I see it like The father created us, the son told us how to live and the spirit reminds us how to live when we go astray. Of course we can chose to ignore it and continue to defy what we know is right. Now I don't think you have to take it as priests tell you or believe in conventional religion. A Jesus like figure could have come 1000 times or 1 time. I don't know. I think it's more imortant to obey the message than it is to believe in the messenger or the creator of the message. That's just how I see it.

Facez:
please read scriptures in context.

Jamal you have taken the Mark 12:29 scripture out of context, look at what happens when i add chapter 28 at the beginning of it

Mark 12:28-29 (28) One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
(29)"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one

they asked Jesus all of all the commandments which is the most important Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 6:4 which says....

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

if you don't believe me check it for youself. you see what happens when scriptures are taken out of context

next scripture Mark 10:18. lets look at Mark 10:17-19

Mark 10:17-19 (17)As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
 (18)"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (19)You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother."

Jesus said that because the man who came up and asked him that question thought that Jesus was a mere man because he called him a "good Teacher" so Jesus was just saying God is good (God is the source) trust in God. he didn't want to just teach the man and send him on his way he wanted to let the man no/remind him not to rely on Jewish teachers (who are called good) but rely on God that is why Jesus told the man (who claimed to be good by keeping all of the commandments) to sell all his possesions (and trust in God who is good/the source). you see the man thought he was good aswell because he kept all of the commandments and Jesus was saying don't trust what you can see (a good teacher) but trust on what you cant see (the word that God spoke through Jesus, which was good)

Primo:
there is no trinity. There is no mention in the original texts of a trinity.

J @ M @ L:
^ LOL you didn't refute anything...

He said "our God"... if I were to make a statement to one of my classmates that included "our teacher said..."  , could that in any logical way imply that I am the teacher? LOL.

Let me ask you a simple question... common sense and logic...  if A>B, can A=B? Because that's what you would imply if you were to say that Jesus = God after looking at
John 14:28 - "My father is greater than I"

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