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Arnold Schwarzenegger tells Hispanics they need to learn English....
D-Lyte:
Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
Javier:
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--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on June 15, 2007, 03:33:50 PM ---Here's something shocking, majority of the latinos in the country speak both English and Spanish. Spanish is a skill in this capitalist country, not a burden.
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Of course, but not speaking English is not a skill, and something one could consider a burden. He didn't say "forget all spanish vocabulary" or something lmao. But if you just watch spanish tv, talk spanish wherever you hang out, read spanish papers, etc, there's quite a chance you're going to make life too comfortable for yourself and never get around to learn english. Obviously this is not the problem with you, you can watch as much spanish tv as you're pleased.
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Each generation is losing more Spanish speaking people. It's really nothing to be worried about, my potential kids are going to know less Spanish than myself, and etc etc. All of my younger cousins can't even talk Spanish that well, they can but it's really just enough to get by with their parents and other family members.
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I guess if that's the case...they pretty much lost their cultrual language...and eventually, generations beyond would not understand their own language...and basically their identity would pretty much be lost forever....and then...I'm thinking if this goes further down the road...they wouldn't recognize hispanics as hispanics...but what would they be known as...
"unknown?" ???
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That won't happen because it won't be that extreme, there will be a shift though.
Javier:
--- Quote from: D-Lyte on June 16, 2007, 02:27:56 AM ---Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
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I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
Mr. O:
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on June 16, 2007, 12:08:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: D-Lyte on June 16, 2007, 02:27:56 AM ---Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
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From what your stating, it seems good to own those spanish shows.
I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
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D-Lyte:
--- Quote from: Mr. Javii on June 16, 2007, 12:08:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: D-Lyte on June 16, 2007, 02:27:56 AM ---Schwarzenegger's right 'bout what he said. They live in the States they might as well learn to speak tha' language, because no one forces them to come over here. But if they decide to do so they should at least learn tha' language, not give up their culture or the Spanish language, just immigrate. If I go into a store they got two signs one's in English the other in Spanish and by doing shit like that the Latinos don't have to learn English they just get by, and that's just fucked up. It's the government's fault 'cause they don't show any effort to immigrate the Latinos, by giving them privileges, like signs in Spanish, bunch of TV shows in Spanish, Spanish teachers and so on, the Latinos don't have to learn tha' language and can still live here. I mean would you learn tha' language if you could live here without being forced to adapt tha' language? I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense. So in my opinion tha' government is to blame for this bullshit situation right now.
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I think you're thinking about the word assimilate. A business can do whatever they want because they do what's best for business. I was driving towards the Greek Theater in Los Angeles a few weeks ago, and I passed through some stores that had 4 different languages! I told myself, "This is one of the many reasons why I love about Los Angeles" In the end, many people that own shops will try their best to get the maximum number of clients, you gotta do what you gotta do. The TV Shows in Spanish are making money, you got soap operas in Spanish that are getting more ratings than many of the prime time shows on major networks. Spanish teachers? What do you mean by that?
The entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
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Learning tha' language is immigration not assimilation. They'd assimilate if they would give up their culture and would live like "Americans" if you know what I'm sayin'. I did not say they should assimilate, but they should immigrate. Aight tha' stores make money with that, true. But you have the choice either you take the money and leave the Latinos as they are, that's fine with me, or you make them learn English by not giving them the privileges they have right now. 'Cause everybody complainin' 'bout the Latinos not learning English n' stuff but no wonder. The majority on tha high school on my block is Latino. And by Spanish teachers I mean teachers, that pretty much teach exclusively in Spanish. The Latinos get extra classes, in Spanish only. So there you have it, they can go to school in the States without learning the language. And instead of pointing tha' finger at the Latinos the government should do some changes around here, especially concerning education.
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