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Are Lebanese the most useless people ever
virtuoso:
Isn't this whole episode a classic example of smoke and mirrors? the official line is that Israel somehow got defeated by Hezbollah, driven back by a bunch of organised guerilla fighters armed with basic weaponry, using their superior fighting skill to surprise and intimidate the advancing israelis. While I don't contend the point that hezbollah are quite a formidable opponent, particularly when confronted by a group of soldiers who are mostly conscripts, I do feel like Israel has been deliberately set up as the fall guy on this occasion, to firstly present the argument that Mossad must also be useless and thus can not be responsible for waves of car bombings, but also and more importantly to give the impression that the arabs triumphed. The objective of the IDF was never to conquer Lebanon per sa, it's much more subtle than that, if you remember the news was reported that Israel wished to establish a buffer zone just over the Lebanon border. The official justification for this, was so that they could then drive hezbollah back and thus stop or at least dramatically reduce the number of incidents where rockets were being fired into Israel. However it is also true, that the buffer zone gives the Israelis direct access to the Litani River, it has been reported, although admittedly I have not done enough thorough research into this, that Israel's rivers are running dry and so they need the Litani River's water supply quite urgently. Well correct me if i am wrong but that buffer zone has indeed been established, if that is the case, then you are all being played for fools by continuing with this notion that Israel were defeated.
Also by the way regarding the Lebanese prime minister, I just really don't trust him, his display of emotion seemed so contrived.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on June 25, 2007, 02:41:21 PM ---However it is also true, that the buffer zone gives the Israelis direct access to the Litani River
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Bingo. Israeli leaders in the past have explicitly admitted to wanting a portion of the land in Lebanon's south... I don't have the quotes/sources at hand right now, but if I'll post them once I come across them... I think you're being mistaken... nobody really thinks that Israel was "defeated"... there was no winner or loser... Israel wanted to Hezbollah (see what they got, their strategy, etc), destroy their infrastructure, try to clean some of the land in the south of people (the usual Israeli tactic before taking land)... and Hezbollah didn't win, but showed that Israel isn't invincible as the previous notion was... Nasrallah is on top of his shit that's for sure
virtuoso:
Hey you know what, regarding your last comment if you look at the way it has been dressed up, the prime minister of israel is in hot water, there have been inquiries launched as to why things went wrong, the over riding message is we failed. This has been portrayed not just on american television but also here on english television, the question being asked is why did Israel fail, but it's a damn lie, they did not fail at all. I disagree with that though JML, Israel wanted to maintain it's role as the innocent party who were simply defending themselves, Israel won, they have the buffer zone, they have massively weakened Lebanon and I agree with you on that score, that was part of the objective but if you honestly think that Israel could not take all of Lebanon if it wanted to, then you are very much mistaken. However this was not undertaken because Israel does not want to be seen as the aggressor and a full scale invasion would have lifted the veil which they hide behind. By the way what you were referring to was the greater Israel vision of David Ben Gurion
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on June 25, 2007, 04:18:37 PM ---
Hey you know what, regarding your last comment if you look at the way it has been dressed up, the prime minister of israel is in hot water, there have been inquiries launched as to why things went wrong, the over riding message is we failed. This has been portrayed not just on american television but also here on english television, the question being asked is why did Israel fail, but it's a damn lie, they did not fail at all. I disagree with that though JML, Israel wanted to maintain it's role as the innocent party who were simply defending themselves, Israel won, they have the buffer zone, they have massively weakened Lebanon and I agree with you on that score, that was part of the objective but if you honestly think that Israel could not take all of Lebanon if it wanted to, then you are very much mistaken. However this was not undertaken because Israel does not want to be seen as the aggressor and a full scale invasion would have lifted the veil which they hide behind. By the way what you were referring to was the greater Israel vision of David Ben Gurion
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Israel has the capabilities to just take the whole fucking place over... you're right... but that would be a little out of line even for Israel... you're also right about them trying to look like they were defending themselves, but isn't that always the case? They're also defending themselves from little boys throwing rocks by blowing up the boys' villages... massively weakened Lebanon? The Lebanese Army ain't shit to begin with... they wanted to engage in a scuffle with Hezbollah to see what they got... they don't give a fuck about the rest of Lebanon, the Lebanese government, the Lebanese army, etc... they just want a piece of the land in the south and the only thing stopping them is Hezbollah... which is ironically in Israel's eyes is also the only thing that will give them an excuse to go in there... Israel is already planning to attack Lebanon within the next few years... they've been requesting U.S. "permission" since the last war ended...
virtuoso:
Oh for definite the Lebanese army has been described as a poorly paid and trained rag tag band and if anything, hezbollah are a much more effective fighting unit. What I was talking about however was the fact the bombardments have massively weakened Lebanon's infrastructure, don't overlook the fact that Lebanon was a very prosperous nation and is in itself very westernised. However it's obvious once again that another reason for the massive attack on Lebanon was to stir up genuine hatred and thus create a genuine enemy. Regarding what you said about Lebanon being primed for an american attack, there might be some truth in that but why would it be necessary when the prime minister is so obviously "western minded"?
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