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The Christian religion has it's origions in astrology
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 17, 2007, 09:02:57 PM ---
Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.
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I have no problem responding to what you have said above. Let me make 3 simple points.
#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code. I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.
#2. America also has a dress code. You can't run through the streets naked. So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.
#3. I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to. Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion". Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship. Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion". So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose? Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value.
Narrator:
--- Quote ---Volume 5, Book 59, Number 709:
Narrated Abu Bakra:
During the days (of the battle) of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a word I had heard from Allah's Apostle after I had been about to join the Companions of Al-Jamal (i.e. the camel) and fight along with them. When Allah's Apostle was informed that the Persians had crowned the daughter of Khosrau as their ruler, he said, "Such people as ruled by a lady will never be successful."
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Shallow:
--- Quote from: Shakur Abdul-Latif's Definition Of Hip-Hop..by -Infinite- on July 17, 2007, 11:50:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 17, 2007, 09:02:57 PM ---
Wrong again my friend. Some of our women sell themselves as commodities and and look like whores in public. Some don't. What these women choose relies entire upon them. As opposed to being told to dress covered or suffer violent consequences. If I had to choose between having a daughter that was a porn star who did orgy scenes or a daughter that married a muslim in a muslim country and not allowed to even show her hair in public, I'd choose the former every fucking time. Why? Because at the end of the day my daughter has an indepedant choice to stop the porn and lead a different lifestyle. The latter's choice is not independant. Her safety is dependant on the society she lives in and the mindset of the violent population of "righteous" men who deem it acceptible to protect good with evil, violent destructive evil.
Give me an answer. I fucking dare you. Or just ignore this post too and keep trying to convince yourself that no one has a response for your genius arguments.
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I have no problem responding to what you have said above. Let me make 3 simple points.
#1. It is very rare that you will find a Muslim country that is forcing their women wear scarves as a dress code. I can only think of two, Saudi Arabia and Iran; and even in those cases it is not very strictly enforced.
#2. America also has a dress code. You can't run through the streets naked. So every society determines according to their own values what they consider to be decent behaivor.
#3. I don't agree with forcing any woman to wear a scarf if they don't want to. Allah says in Suratal Zumar 39:2 "...Worship God, and be SINCERE in your religion". Many times sincerity is mentioned as a condition for acts of worship. Allah also says in verse 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion". So what is the point of forcing any woman to wear something for a religious purpose? Any religious act done by someone just because they are being forced, is a useless act that has no real value.
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I don't know how the governments over their handle the issue. What I was saying was society. Now I've never been over there so if someone can answer this for me I'd appreciate it. If a woman decides to dress up with hair flowing cleavage exposed, midsection showing and a short skirt and walk around in the town square can she do so with out the probability of some nutcase or nutcases violently showing her that she shouldn't do that?
In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
es-jay:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 18, 2007, 09:09:06 AM ---In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
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TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 18, 2007, 09:09:06 AM ---
In Toronto where I am women can legally walk topless, but comparing public nudity to a sexist dress code is as stupid as most of your posts.
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I was just pointing out that different societies and different people follow different moral codes, and so it is quite pretentious for you to assume that another place, culture and person should have to live according to the moral code you have chosen for yourself.
It's funny that it is Christians in this post complaining about the way Muslim women dress, when if you look at any picture of Mary you will see she is dressed the same way. Nuns still dress in such a way. Also, in the Bible, in both the old and new testament women are told to dress the same way Muslim women dress. In fact, in one place in the Bible, I think it may have been Paul who said it, he says that if the woman feels the need to pray without her scarf on, then she deserves to have her head shaved as punishment.
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