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We all know that beats really set the tone in terms of structure and sometimes content of songs. I think Dre's gonna emphasize the "structure" aspect of the music, and shift the paradigm away from three verses and a hook. I was listening to Don't Get Carried Away and noticed how during Nas' verse the beat sounds different to accompany Nas' voice/flow. Like the strings get more dramatic in the background...it really differentiates Nas from Busta in the song.What I think Dre could be moving towards for the Detox is having certain "characteristics" of the music repeat when a certain rapper comes on. I know he's expressed how he wants his final album to transcend hip hop into a more cinematic approach (this is what prog and other types of rock have been experimenting with for a long time). Attaching a certain instrument or sound to a rapper makes them more of a character and familiarizes the listener with his/her "character" so to speak. Now some of you might be put off by this, but it could be subtle things like something in the drums that is added in or a certain instrument.Interesting things come up from this. For example, the beginning and end of the album could sound structurally and musically alike, but the middle reaches depths or heights that don't sound like the intros/finales. Or the entire album completely changes from beginning to end, but the change is gradual and suspenseful.
So instead of just putting out a final album as a vocalist and staying behind a desk or a mix board -in essence watching others do what he still seems to like,which is rapping- he can put the album out the leap right into film,as even more visual way of expressing himself...
MTVwww.mtv.com/news/articles/1453255/20020403/dr-dre.jhtmlDr.Dre; "I had to come up with something different but still keep it hardcore,so what I decided to do was make my album one story about one person and just do the record trough a characther's eyes,"Dre said,"And everybody that appears on my album is going to be a characther,so it's basically going to a hip hop musical"
www.hhnlive.com/features/more/239...Recently,he's been saying he's going to release it. And while he's done this before and failed to deliver,one difference this time is that he now has a new film deal for his imprint crucial.So instead of just putting out a final album as a vocalist and staying behind a desk or a mix board -in essence watching others do what he still seems to like,which is rapping- he can put the album out the leap right into film,as even more visual way of expressing himself...
Scratch; Did you have any conversation about DETOX?Mahogany; The road Dre lead me down was like "i´m thinking about making the album like a movie,like having 16 bar jazz pieces,live instruments." So I started looking for jazz loops and found one by the group WAR,a 22-bar loop of keys. I think it just tells a story. Dre is trying to tell a story so the instruments have to do thatScratch; So what story are you trying to tell?Mahogany; "Bad Intensions" was about party,exess etc. In the movie "Very Bad Things",four dudes were having a bachelor party in Vegas,doing drugs,sex etc. Then something tragic happens with one of the hookers. So I was thinking it opens with one last party,and something tragic happens to make him want to DETOX
What these comments by Dre and Ronin Ro seem to imply is that it will be a soundtrack to a actual movie,where the artists plays a alter ego characther to go along with whatever story Dre got plans for.This is very interesting if they manage to pull it off.Takes a lot of work,maybe that´s what is "delaying" it?Dre want´s this to be the album they remember him for,so it got to be some next level shit and "just another" album might not be enough?Maybe I´m reading to much into it?
anyway, back to the concept:MTVwww.mtv.com/news/articles/1453255/20020403/dr-dre.jhtmlDr.Dre; "I had to come up with something different but still keep it hardcore,so what I decided to do was make my album one story about one person and just do the record trough a characther's eyes,"Dre said,"And everybody that appears on my album is going to be a characther,so it's basically going to a hip hop musical"
uuuuuuhhhhh,now you got me worried. The Wash is far from a classic movie and soundtrack.Hope he don´t think along those lines,like you said,it´s not that the movie and OST was that bad but still.....I was hoping for a more artistic vision,with the actual music playing along with the movie with the story line and little or non dialog at all. It could be animated,whatever like some shit you can put on at home in the background with images while the music is playing.No the content don´t have to be revolutnionary,I actually would be prefer if it was abstract and artsy than some shallow corny shit.Game? Why not? It may sound like a gimmick,but it´s the way the content is presented that matters in the end.Yeah,that´s why the story line idea is good.He has kind of run out of subject matter,we don´t need to hear the same "resurection" shit that he has been using ever since The Chronic 2001 up until now....and good and "easy" way to go around this is to play it out in a alter ego persona.
The Mahogany interview is like only a year old,but still...I don´t think that Mahogany meant that they should use that track again,but a similar scenario played out.I don´t think Mahogany is involved with record,from what I could gather so far into the production of the album,The Core Detox team consists of writers and artists that will help Dre to articulate Dre´s idea´s;Busta Rhymes,Stat Quo,Bishop Lamont,Eminem and The D.O.C.
A before Detox video game is a good idea,that´s actually a better idea than adopting the movies story line.The Youtube idea you came with is also great,you know how they promote movies these days where the actors stay in characther when they´re out there promoting the movies on talk shows and what not,they can whole gang of fake ones and post them on youtubeanother thing they could also do is make some awesome movie "blockbuster" like trailers like they do for those "blockbuster" movies. You know.... Coming this summer to a hood near you...bla,bla,bla, starring bla,bla,By the way,I have requested D-Nice (interesting poster) to come in here to join us.
Yeah it seems that those that writers/artists that I mentioned above is the core team for Detox(from what I have read and seen working in the Aftermath studio recently on photo´s and video´s)I assume that all those beat makers that has submited beats,is a way for Dre to look for direction for the sound and the beatmakerhe feels got the sound he´s looking and wants to invite as a co-producer for the project. (This person is probably set by now)I can´t see Dre making a kind of a compilation type of sounding album like "everybody" is doing these days,that would be a bad direction if you ask me,to have all kind of styles of beats will fuck up the albums consistency (like most albums these days).
Moved your post over here since the convo fits this thread. DUBCNN: Exclusive Video Interview With Bishop Lamont (NEWS-Reformation/Detoxhttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=158535.0Quote from: Dre-Day on November 05, 2007, 12:48:44 PM DUBCNN: Exclusive Video Interview With Bishop Lamont (NEWS-Reformation/Detoxhttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=158535.0nice interview QuoteBISHOP LAMONT (November 2007) | Interview By: Eddie Gurrolahttp://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bishoplamont07/He wanted to do it like a twelve step program,like if you go to detox,the Betty Ford Clinic,it’s a twelve step program. So it could only be twelve records.Quote from: Dre-Day on November 05, 2007, 12:48:44 PM DUBCNN: Exclusive Video Interview With Bishop Lamont (NEWS-Reformation/Detoxhttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=158535.0Well i obviously prefer quality over quantity,but i do hope Dre can put a few more tracks on it though. Bishop did confirm that Detox is going to be a concept album,which makes sense,as some of us already predicted that in the serious Detox topic:http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150187.0 (this thread)Quotehttp://www.bettyfordcenter.org/children/parents.phpStep 1We admitted we were powerless over alcohol-that our lives had become unmanageable. Admit powerlessness over your ability to surrender to your love and not your control."Parenting is really a struggle between fear and love." The fear that our children, whom we love so much, can be harmed causes us, as parents, to attempt to control the fear by controlling our children. Managing our children through control creates bitterness in ourselves as parents, and breeds anger and rebellion in our children. The alternative is to accept that pain is a part of living, and that our children can learn from pain just as we do as adults. Admitting powerlessness over our life allows for honest parenting. Through acceptance we can share our love with our children and teach them to protect themselves.Step 2Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Find hope in the belief that recovery is possible through faith and willingness to work on ourselves."Faith is the beginning of hope." The belief in a Power greater than ourselves can help us develop the faith to try new behaviors and create new visions for our families. As members of dysfunctional families, we have all kinds of learned "insanity." These behaviors directly affect our parenting. When we allow a Power greater than ourselves to work in our lives, then miracles are possible.Step 3Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to God as we understood Him. Reach out for help and acknowledge that you are not alone."Asking for help is the lifeline for parents." When we turn our will and our lives over to God, we also turn our children over to His care. Letting go helps us to step aside and let a force greater than ourselves work in our lives and our children's lives. Drawing on the resources around us and attempting to find a good orderly direction helps us gain a sense of peace to meet the challenges of parenting.Step 4Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Take stock of yourself as a parent ."Identifying our strengths and weaknesses helps us own reality. When we see how our personality traits affect our children, we realize how we project our fears onto our children, creating self-fulfilling prophecies. By doing the fourth step, we take responsibility for the things we do not like about ourselves instead of projecting them onto our children. When we look at what our family life was like before recovery, we can get a clear picture of where we were and work to avoid repeating past mistakes.Step 5Admitted to God, to ourselves, and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Learn to share your parenting issues without self-recrimination.Sharing our inventory with God and another person helps us to see patterns that have caused us problems. The guilt from the excessive baggage of the past separates us from those we love. Sharing the things we see with our spouse, friends, and support groups allows us to find that we were not as bad a parent as we thought and we have all kinds of support and guidance available around us. Honest communication with a spouse is important so that your efforts can begin to work together for more effective parenting.Step 6Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Become ready to change by giving up the demand to be perfect."Be ready to change." Our character defects have been the way the child in us has protected itself from a hostile world. As parents, we must face the child in ourselves and tell ourselves that the time has come to give up the old patterns. We must develop new defenses to use when defenses are necessary. This involves finding new ways that do not involve denying our feelings.Step 7Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Make conscious changes in your parenting by identifying specific strategies for healthy parenting.Willingness to humbly ask for help sets the stage for our spiritual growth as a parent. Since many of us grew up in alcoholic families, asking for help is especially difficult - asking with humility is even harder. We begin to make conscious changes in our parenting. Our old patterns and responses, as well as those of our children, will still occur as we begin to adjust to these changes. Change takes time; setbacks are natural. Setting firm and consistent limits and learning new ways to relate to our children will help as we adjust to the changes.Step 8Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. Take responsibility for the effect your parenting has had on your children and learn self-forgiveness.Learn to forgive yourself. Accepting the past as a fact and without guilt is an important part of this step. By taking responsibility for the past, we admit the truth about the past (neither judging too harshly, nor minimizing the effects). We can then commit to changing our behaviors that are harmful and follow through on our commitment. Listing new parenting strategies moves us away from guilt and into responsible action. Deciding to change helps release us from self-recrimination. We need to remember that we did not willfully harm our children; we were doing the best with what we had at the time. Now we have more. Being a recovering parent is like being a recovering alcoholic. We can let go of the shame and guilt when we accept our problem and do something about it.Step 9Made direct amends to such people whenever possible except when to do so would harm them or others. Make amends to your children through healthy parenting without over-compensating.The best way to make amends to our children is by being a better parent. Our children can sense when we are trying to make up for lost time or trying to be the "super parent" because of guilt we have. Children often respond with mistrust or manipulation to our over-compensations. When we commit to be the best parent we can be, we share our lives and attention with our children. We accept each other's differences. We give permission for everyone to express their feelings. We start setting firm loving limits for our children and ourselves. It also means reaching inside to heal the child inside ourselves who cries out for love and attention.Step 10Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Model being honest with yourself and your children and create acceptance in your family for imperfection.Our children learn more from what we do than from what we say. This is a step of self-honesty. We must learn to accept our own imperfections and mistakes before we can teach our children that they can be imperfect and still be loved. By modeling self-honesty and self-acceptance, we demonstrate to our children how to deal with life based on "content of their character" and not how close to perfect they can get.Step 11Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. Learn to accept your limits in life and find your true spiritual path while allowing your children theirs.As parents the hardest limit to accept is the truth that in the end our children will be on their own. By nurturing our own spirituality we, as parents, are able to guide our children toward their own path of spiritual growth. We can share our spiritual principles and values with our children best through our guidance and our example. It is easier to "Let go and let God" when we accept that in the end our children are on their own and we cannot control the choices that they will make. The ability to give thanks for each experience (because experience has made us who we are) helps us to be aware that we are part of a larger plan.Step 12Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Reach out to other parents in the spirit of giving and community."You can't keep it unless you give it away." Sharing our experience, strength, and hope is the cornerstone of our program. We can reach of highest potential through helping others strive to better themselves. We need to be involved in our children's schools, in support groups, and in the community. Carrying the message means reaching out and offering a helping hand to other parents when needed and appropriate. It is learning to lead our children in a loving way and give the child within you all he or she needs to grow.That the intro is called "Intervention" supports this 12 step concept.So if it is a movie/musical that will be 12 chapters that he will go trough.I don´t know if you noticed;QuoteBISHOP LAMONT (November 2007) | Interview By: Eddie Gurrolahttp://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bishoplamont07/Dubcnn: So it’s definitely a concept-type album?Oh yeah! I mean, it’s his last hoorah. I always tell people to make it make sense [to them,] this is gonna be his “Return Of The Jedi” in the trilogy of movies. So it’s gonna go hard! I think that’s all you’ve got to say really.THX it!But it’s his “Return of the Jedi.”QuoteTHXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THXTHX is the trade name of a high-fidelity sound reproduction standard formovie theaters, screening rooms, home theaters, computer speakers, gaming consoles, and car audio systems.THX stands for Tomlinson Holman's eXperiment.THX was developed by Tomlinson Holman at George Lucas's company Lucasfilm in 1982 to ensure that the soundtrack for the third Star Wars film, Return of the Jedi, would be accurately reproduced in the best venues.If you have read some of mellow-mans posts he hints on something like this.Then I got to invest in a THX system at home,ha,ha
DUBCNN: Exclusive Video Interview With Bishop Lamont (NEWS-Reformation/Detoxhttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=158535.0nice interview
BISHOP LAMONT (November 2007) | Interview By: Eddie Gurrolahttp://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bishoplamont07/He wanted to do it like a twelve step program,like if you go to detox,the Betty Ford Clinic,it’s a twelve step program. So it could only be twelve records.
DUBCNN: Exclusive Video Interview With Bishop Lamont (NEWS-Reformation/Detoxhttp://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=158535.0Well i obviously prefer quality over quantity,but i do hope Dre can put a few more tracks on it though. Bishop did confirm that Detox is going to be a concept album,which makes sense,as some of us already predicted that in the serious Detox topic:http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150187.0 (this thread)
http://www.bettyfordcenter.org/children/parents.phpStep 1We admitted we were powerless over alcohol-that our lives had become unmanageable. Admit powerlessness over your ability to surrender to your love and not your control."Parenting is really a struggle between fear and love." The fear that our children, whom we love so much, can be harmed causes us, as parents, to attempt to control the fear by controlling our children. Managing our children through control creates bitterness in ourselves as parents, and breeds anger and rebellion in our children. The alternative is to accept that pain is a part of living, and that our children can learn from pain just as we do as adults. Admitting powerlessness over our life allows for honest parenting. Through acceptance we can share our love with our children and teach them to protect themselves.Step 2Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Find hope in the belief that recovery is possible through faith and willingness to work on ourselves."Faith is the beginning of hope." The belief in a Power greater than ourselves can help us develop the faith to try new behaviors and create new visions for our families. As members of dysfunctional families, we have all kinds of learned "insanity." These behaviors directly affect our parenting. When we allow a Power greater than ourselves to work in our lives, then miracles are possible.Step 3Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to God as we understood Him. Reach out for help and acknowledge that you are not alone."Asking for help is the lifeline for parents." When we turn our will and our lives over to God, we also turn our children over to His care. Letting go helps us to step aside and let a force greater than ourselves work in our lives and our children's lives. Drawing on the resources around us and attempting to find a good orderly direction helps us gain a sense of peace to meet the challenges of parenting.Step 4Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Take stock of yourself as a parent ."Identifying our strengths and weaknesses helps us own reality. When we see how our personality traits affect our children, we realize how we project our fears onto our children, creating self-fulfilling prophecies. By doing the fourth step, we take responsibility for the things we do not like about ourselves instead of projecting them onto our children. When we look at what our family life was like before recovery, we can get a clear picture of where we were and work to avoid repeating past mistakes.Step 5Admitted to God, to ourselves, and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Learn to share your parenting issues without self-recrimination.Sharing our inventory with God and another person helps us to see patterns that have caused us problems. The guilt from the excessive baggage of the past separates us from those we love. Sharing the things we see with our spouse, friends, and support groups allows us to find that we were not as bad a parent as we thought and we have all kinds of support and guidance available around us. Honest communication with a spouse is important so that your efforts can begin to work together for more effective parenting.Step 6Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Become ready to change by giving up the demand to be perfect."Be ready to change." Our character defects have been the way the child in us has protected itself from a hostile world. As parents, we must face the child in ourselves and tell ourselves that the time has come to give up the old patterns. We must develop new defenses to use when defenses are necessary. This involves finding new ways that do not involve denying our feelings.Step 7Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Make conscious changes in your parenting by identifying specific strategies for healthy parenting.Willingness to humbly ask for help sets the stage for our spiritual growth as a parent. Since many of us grew up in alcoholic families, asking for help is especially difficult - asking with humility is even harder. We begin to make conscious changes in our parenting. Our old patterns and responses, as well as those of our children, will still occur as we begin to adjust to these changes. Change takes time; setbacks are natural. Setting firm and consistent limits and learning new ways to relate to our children will help as we adjust to the changes.Step 8Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. Take responsibility for the effect your parenting has had on your children and learn self-forgiveness.Learn to forgive yourself. Accepting the past as a fact and without guilt is an important part of this step. By taking responsibility for the past, we admit the truth about the past (neither judging too harshly, nor minimizing the effects). We can then commit to changing our behaviors that are harmful and follow through on our commitment. Listing new parenting strategies moves us away from guilt and into responsible action. Deciding to change helps release us from self-recrimination. We need to remember that we did not willfully harm our children; we were doing the best with what we had at the time. Now we have more. Being a recovering parent is like being a recovering alcoholic. We can let go of the shame and guilt when we accept our problem and do something about it.Step 9Made direct amends to such people whenever possible except when to do so would harm them or others. Make amends to your children through healthy parenting without over-compensating.The best way to make amends to our children is by being a better parent. Our children can sense when we are trying to make up for lost time or trying to be the "super parent" because of guilt we have. Children often respond with mistrust or manipulation to our over-compensations. When we commit to be the best parent we can be, we share our lives and attention with our children. We accept each other's differences. We give permission for everyone to express their feelings. We start setting firm loving limits for our children and ourselves. It also means reaching inside to heal the child inside ourselves who cries out for love and attention.Step 10Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Model being honest with yourself and your children and create acceptance in your family for imperfection.Our children learn more from what we do than from what we say. This is a step of self-honesty. We must learn to accept our own imperfections and mistakes before we can teach our children that they can be imperfect and still be loved. By modeling self-honesty and self-acceptance, we demonstrate to our children how to deal with life based on "content of their character" and not how close to perfect they can get.Step 11Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. Learn to accept your limits in life and find your true spiritual path while allowing your children theirs.As parents the hardest limit to accept is the truth that in the end our children will be on their own. By nurturing our own spirituality we, as parents, are able to guide our children toward their own path of spiritual growth. We can share our spiritual principles and values with our children best through our guidance and our example. It is easier to "Let go and let God" when we accept that in the end our children are on their own and we cannot control the choices that they will make. The ability to give thanks for each experience (because experience has made us who we are) helps us to be aware that we are part of a larger plan.Step 12Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Reach out to other parents in the spirit of giving and community."You can't keep it unless you give it away." Sharing our experience, strength, and hope is the cornerstone of our program. We can reach of highest potential through helping others strive to better themselves. We need to be involved in our children's schools, in support groups, and in the community. Carrying the message means reaching out and offering a helping hand to other parents when needed and appropriate. It is learning to lead our children in a loving way and give the child within you all he or she needs to grow.
BISHOP LAMONT (November 2007) | Interview By: Eddie Gurrolahttp://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bishoplamont07/Dubcnn: So it’s definitely a concept-type album?Oh yeah! I mean, it’s his last hoorah. I always tell people to make it make sense [to them,] this is gonna be his “Return Of The Jedi” in the trilogy of movies. So it’s gonna go hard! I think that’s all you’ve got to say really.THX it!But it’s his “Return of the Jedi.”
THXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THXTHX is the trade name of a high-fidelity sound reproduction standard formovie theaters, screening rooms, home theaters, computer speakers, gaming consoles, and car audio systems.THX stands for Tomlinson Holman's eXperiment.THX was developed by Tomlinson Holman at George Lucas's company Lucasfilm in 1982 to ensure that the soundtrack for the third Star Wars film, Return of the Jedi, would be accurately reproduced in the best venues.
Dre still considering the 12 step thing ? yep Detox sure looks like it's almost finished
I have a feeling that if he does too much concept wise, people won't really accept it until later because it might be too ahead of it's time, and it'll go over a lotta people's heads...so they might not appreciate it at the same level. At this point, most fans could care less about lyrics and stories, let alone a concept for an entire album....it's all about damn singles and weak ringtones now. So I'm sure Dre realizes that fans initial reception might not be as valuable in the future...but a lot of people want this album to "bring the west back", and I don't think it's gonna do that at all...so that's not something I hope for.