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Jason Whitlock drops knowledge on the Jena 6
TraceOneInfinite:
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And really, why would Nelson Mandella know more about how blacks are treated in the 21st centry USA than Jason Whitlock? I just don't see how Mandella would be in touch with anything here. He is a victim of real rock solid evil racism. Whitlock lives in a world of assumed racism, and that is what America is. In the South Africa that Mandella grew up in you didn't have to wonder whether or not the bus driver that refused to let you off in between stops was racist, you had to wonder whether the racist asshole was going to kill you in the beating you got or get tired before you die and you get to live. Nelson Mandella may know a lot about gun shot wounds to the head, but he may not know so much about paper cuts on the finger tip.
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Shallow, you do realize that Nelson Mandela has been to the US before, and is no doubt aware of the plight of African American's in this country. Even if he hadn't lived here, this man is the most widely loved and respected man in all of Africa; he is one of the greatest political giants and hero's of the 20th century. So to even suggest that a silly sportswriter such as Jason Whitlock is a better authority on American racial politics than Nelson Mandela is a totally ridiculous statement. Jason Whitlock isn't even in the same universe as Nelson Mandela when it comes to politics.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite presents...Ottomankalifah.com on September 29, 2007, 08:26:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 28, 2007, 10:49:53 PM ---
And really, why would Nelson Mandella know more about how blacks are treated in the 21st centry USA than Jason Whitlock? I just don't see how Mandella would be in touch with anything here. He is a victim of real rock solid evil racism. Whitlock lives in a world of assumed racism, and that is what America is. In the South Africa that Mandella grew up in you didn't have to wonder whether or not the bus driver that refused to let you off in between stops was racist, you had to wonder whether the racist asshole was going to kill you in the beating you got or get tired before you die and you get to live. Nelson Mandella may know a lot about gun shot wounds to the head, but he may not know so much about paper cuts on the finger tip.
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This whole argument is stupid. Too many times people look for the credibilty of the man rather than the truth in the words. All you said was that he wasn't an authority on black people. Who fucking cares? If you got a problem with what he said then address it, not him. What is he wrong about? If Mandella said the exact same thing how would that change anything? Other than the fact that stupid people would just believe because they think someone that knows what he's talking about said it. I don't care who Jason Whitlock is, or what he's accomplished. If I agree with him then I agree. If I don't then I don't. But if I don't know how to disprove someone's claims I don't resort to calling a man's authority into question.
Let's say we had two men and one question; 2x + 2=8; one man was an elite level mathematician who developed a new form of calculus and the other was a high school drop-out who couldn't figure out calculus to save his life. The mathetician says x=5, the drop-out says x=3. It doesn't fucking matter what the genius has done in his life or how he's changed math. The answer is 3 and there is no way around that. If you're homeless and can't read and you say it's 3, it's still 3. The mathematician said it's 5. He's wrong. Why? Because 2 times 5 plus 2 is 12, not 8. I can show you why he's wrong. Now why would a man of his intelligence say 5? The only logical reason would be that he's lying.
Jason Whitlock said that the Sharpton/Jackson circus waited 9 months to act. That Bell was already a two time offender with regards to assault before this incident and the same black community that rallies for him now did nothing for him in the last two years when he needed help (like they don't do for all the other kids in trouble). He said that the white kid that was attacked had nothing to do with the nooses or the racist incident and he used a black attorney's investigation as his evidence. Whitlock goes on to mention that while it was a white only jury, no black people responded to the call, implying that they could have been on the jury. And that his lawyer was black. He also mentions how the father who wants his son back abandoned the kid and only re-entered his life when the spotlights came on. Whitlock calls the father's ability to supervise into question. The moral of Whitlock's story is that too much of the black community in America does nothing while the signs of trouble start popping up and only respond after tragedy, then point fingers rather than try and prevent the disasters before they happen.
Why is he wrong? What is he lying about? Give me something other than "he's not Mandella".
Now if Mandella was the genius you claim he is then I think he'd agree with just about everything here. If he didn't then I'd want to see why, and if he couldn't show me why then I'd call him a liar.
TraceOneInfinite:
Shallow, now your changing your position in the argument, like a fat man adjusting his position in his chair to get a better grip of his rump.
You started out by trying to argue that Jason Whitlock or "any intelligent black man in America" was a better authority on American polotics then Nelson Mandela. Well, that position obviously didn't work.
So you've moved your ass now to another position and you want to say "it doesn't matter whether Whitlock is an authority on polotics, he's right!"
Well, in response to that, first of all I'd say that no conclusion has been met on Whitlock being right. Whitlock expecting Sharpton to somehow know about this guy before he made national headlines is ridiculous. How could Sharpton have known about him? And, Whitlock is trying to point out that black people didn't do enough to help this kid before he made national headlines, well, that's quite possible, I guess... but pointing that out doesn't make Whitlock a political genuis.
Whitlock belongs in sports. And like Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X used to say, the white man always tries to bring an athlete or any uncle tom they can find, to come out and speak publically for their position on an issue.
BANANAS:
bryan, you are the white man. how are you working to destroy the black race?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Abdul-Infinite presents...Ottomankalifah.com on September 30, 2007, 08:31:21 PM ---Shallow, now your changing your position in the argument, like a fat man adjusting his position in his chair to get a better grip of his rump.
You started out by trying to argue that Jason Whitlock or "any intelligent black man in America" was a better authority on American polotics then Nelson Mandela. Well, that position obviously didn't work.
So you've moved your ass now to another position and you want to say "it doesn't matter whether Whitlock is an authority on polotics, he's right!"
Well, in response to that, first of all I'd say that no conclusion has been met on Whitlock being right. Whitlock expecting Sharpton to somehow know about this guy before he made national headlines is ridiculous. How could Sharpton have known about him? And, Whitlock is trying to point out that black people didn't do enough to help this kid before he made national headlines, well, that's quite possible, I guess... but pointing that out doesn't make Whitlock a political genuis.
Whitlock belongs in sports. And like Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X used to say, the white man always tries to bring an athlete or any uncle tom they can find, to come out and speak publically for their position on an issue.
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My positioned never changed. I was just trying to get away from the devilish tactics you used to discredit a man and ignore his argument. Prove me wrong. My position holds steady. Jason Whitlock and written about the black race in America for a long time in his columns and has appeared on many TV shows debating Sharpton and his ilk. Oprah had him on as a guest during the Imus fiasco.
What has Mandella ever written or discussed with regards to the social issues of America. If this argument was about foreign policy then Mandella would be a better choice to listen to.
Show me what Mandella has said about blacks in America and prove me wrong.
P.S. Whitlocks position on Sharpton has been the ame for years now. He claims he and Jackson are opportunistic fire starters who only wait for the spotlight to come on before they jump in and light the flames. They waited for Jena to get huge national coverage then spoke out about it. And he's not talking about just this case or Bell in particular. he is saying that in black communities all over the country blacks avoid sings and avoid resposibility and look for excuses and someone to complain to because doing what is needed is too hard. And I happen to agree with that. Why do you disagree?
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