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The virtuosity of bullying

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Elevz:
Why is it that grown ups who used to get picked on when they were little, always feel like they had some injustice done to them, as if the bullies need to be confronted with the evil they did? The evil kids picked on them at school, the teachers did nothing about it, they suffered in a major way, and their entire youth was ruined because some others didn't believe in unconditional flower power and free hugs for all.

I think it's only human to be in competition with the people around you, in a battle for social acceptance and prestige. People want respect; it's a natural consequence of the liberal individualist society we live in to compete with those around you. Verbal dexterity and wit are used as tools to make yourself distinctive and have others to notice you. You discredit others, to the benefit of your own image. Such is life.

I see a battle for social acceptance just about everywhere I look. We used to do it when we were little, and we still take shots at friends and colleagues; it's all assertiveness. The difference is that in some situations where the bullies aren't mentally cultivated enough (yet), it might end up in violence. Violence is always wrong (hence why cultivation through civilisation is a necessity), but is it wrong to call people out and make jokes?

I believe the ones complaining about bullying having ruined their youth, need to get real with their social existance. Everyone gets the challenge, and only a few who are incapable of acting correctly ultimately end up hurt from it. Don't blame the ones who make fun of you, blame your own weakness instead. The ones who feel like they got bullied most likely didn't comply with the social standards. They only assumed they were the victims of an evil, because they let themselves be put in that position. It threatens their being, because their being won't fit in with the rest of the social environment. They only have themselves to blame for that. Adapt if you can and wish to, or accept your loss. This is how bullying becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The bullier isn't evil, the one who got bullied isn't a victim. Ask yourself, why does the bullier hardly recall the evil he supposedly did, while the victim seems to know all too well about everything that was done to him? Perhaps bullying is just a phenomenon invented by an altruist society which wishes to pamper the meek and not let them come to terms with the sharp colors of reality. I say it's time to get real and stop acting like they're deserving of our sympathy. They're not virtuous.

7even:
I disagree basically

Elevz:

--- Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on January 06, 2008, 02:21:34 PM ---I disagree basically

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And why is that?

7even:

--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on January 06, 2008, 02:22:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on January 06, 2008, 02:21:34 PM ---I disagree basically

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And why is that?

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I'm not in the mood to write a lot and to get into long arguments these days... I also know that I won't be able to convince you of anything, as you probably are very studied when it comes to this society stuff and have heard it all already... I see no real chance of telling you something "new" that sounds significant to you. So I'm going to be brief.

The way you talk, you remind me of those people who claim that morality is something that the weak and inferior created for egoistical purposes, because they were treated badly by the stronger ones. (For futher research see google and slave-morality, Nietzsche)

Just because one can do something "bad" without any repercussions for oneself, it doesn't make the action automatically acceptable, not-evil or even virtuosic. Slamming in the face of somebody because he's physically weak and a social outcast is not too different from making aggressive fun of him verbally. The latter is a little more girly than the other, but that's about it.

By your stance on things one is basically a victim of one's culture and therefore the society the culture is breeding; and as the structure of society is stronger than the individual, one has to abide by it, and the one who plays by rules and succeeds is absolved of all the wrong-doing he/she does. To me, doing the "right" thing is not measured in being successful or socially integrated, and there actually is virtue in trying to change the game for the better as opposed to being ignorant/sympathetic to all the bullshit going on and just play the game, albeit by doing the latter you tend to end up with more money and hoes.

virtuoso:

So you are saying that an individual getting bullied because he does not conform to societal norms within that group, should conform to those norms or get stepped on. It is not the individuals fault, they might be weak individuals, it doesn't excuse the behaviour of those around them picking on them because of that weakness that is just cowardice. In fact I don't even see the point of this thread all it illustrates is that group think is prevalent from a very young age which is why it becomes acceptable. It does not mean for one split second it is acceptable.

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