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Wake Up Before We All Slaves... To Our Government
7even:
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 25, 2008, 04:56:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on January 25, 2008, 10:44:03 AM ---Anarcho-capitalism doesn't exist yet, so of course I can't show you a history book to prove its failures.
But I can sure as hell show you how the failures already show off in regular capitalism: Companies move east, westeners lose their jobs and everything that comes with that (less wealth, less people buying stuff, bad for economy, bad for the government etc)
That is just one of many examples. Anarcho-capitalism can suck my dick. Such a concept can end in civil war. Most people don't have enough income, responsibility, discipline or intellect to handle all the stuff the government handles for them.
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So then how did the US strive with no income tax? You still haven't answered that.
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Listen my nigga, I know you don't like me and everything, but there is no need for pointless arguing. I have made a shitload of substantial points in this thread, if you disagree fine, but please respect it. The situation with the US from way back in the day is not comparable to right now. Slavery comes to mind.
Moral hazards are a problem, but abolishing the income tax alltogether is not the answer.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: 7even on January 25, 2008, 05:49:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on January 25, 2008, 04:56:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: 7even on January 25, 2008, 10:44:03 AM ---Anarcho-capitalism doesn't exist yet, so of course I can't show you a history book to prove its failures.
But I can sure as hell show you how the failures already show off in regular capitalism: Companies move east, westeners lose their jobs and everything that comes with that (less wealth, less people buying stuff, bad for economy, bad for the government etc)
That is just one of many examples. Anarcho-capitalism can suck my dick. Such a concept can end in civil war. Most people don't have enough income, responsibility, discipline or intellect to handle all the stuff the government handles for them.
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So then how did the US strive with no income tax? You still haven't answered that.
--- End quote ---
Listen my nigga, I know you don't like me and everything, but there is no need for pointless arguing. I have made a shitload of substantial points in this thread, if you disagree fine, but please respect it. The situation with the US from way back in the day is not comparable to right now. Slavery comes to mind.
Moral hazards are a problem, but abolishing the income tax alltogether is not the answer.
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Since when do I not like you?
Your points against anarcho-capitalism are fine, but the federal income tax in the US was not present for 50 years after slavery and it still to this day only brings in a third of federal revenue. Cut all the overseas spending and you'll be fine.
7even:
It looks like we're getting to something. First you were like people need to smarten up, take the L and try to get by without redistribution and the stuff the government takes care of and organizes for them. Now you only want to have the spending overseas to be affected by the tax cut. That's something I am more comfortable with, however, I want to know what exactly are you thinking of then you say overseas? There's only 2 reasonable things I can think of right now, being war and aid. With that said, free oil won't hurt in the long run and most aid that goes to third world countries is protectionism that is ruining exactly those "helped" countries in the long run. Both things are in a very cruel way good for the US, and thus worth spending. (From a mean point of view)
Shallow:
--- Quote from: 7even on January 26, 2008, 05:27:15 PM ---It looks like we're getting to something. First you were like people need to smarten up, take the L and try to get by without redistribution and the stuff the government takes care of and organizes for them. Now you only want to have the spending overseas to be affected by the tax cut. That's something I am more comfortable with, however, I want to know what exactly are you thinking of then you say overseas? There's only 2 reasonable things I can think of right now, being war and aid. With that said, free oil won't hurt in the long run and most aid that goes to third world countries is protectionism that is ruining exactly those "helped" countries in the long run. Both things are in a very cruel way good for the US, and thus worth spending. (From a mean point of view)
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Ultimately I do believe in anarch-capitalism, but I don't think we can jump right into it. You need stages. And untamed people first need a dictatorship or monarchy to create the order, from there you move to a capitalist parliamentary democracy or republic, and then I believe the next step is an anarcho-capitalist true plebiscite based democracy. And to move from one stage to the next you'd need education to advance. I think it plebiscite votes are taken with a 5 question pamphlet and only those votes with at least 3 of 5 correct cont would be a good start.
Anyway, I meant overseas miltary operations in the US can be completely cut and right away nearly 70% of the third the income tax brings in is coverd. From there you can cut things like the Department of Education and the IRS and that trillion dollars will no longer be needed. One step at a time if you want to move towards real freedom.
7even:
I don't think that there is a perfect regime. Every system has its flaws. Some lack praticability, some lack the right economic incentives, some are simply inefficient, etc... Therefore the flaws I see in anarcho-capitalism aren't automatically making this system terrible. I just think that the US is already capitalistic enough, what would happen if one tried to make steps towards your proposal can't be anticipated precisely enough, there are too many intangibles and shit... I just don't think it would "work". You can have a different opinion. What I don't accept, however, is when people flat out say "yo, abolishing the income tax would be tight as fuck mayne, I'd be ballin my nigga"... that's just ignorant.
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