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Where's the Ron Paul People??
J @ M @ L:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PM ---Paul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies.
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LOL... this guy has lost it
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I pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.
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They're both isolationist... yeah so many similar policies.. you're right.. lol.. and lol @ you using that last one as an example of a similar policy.
By the way, it's spelled SIMILAR... and there's a difference between HE'S & HIS... aren't you in fucking college?
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:32:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 11, 2008, 12:18:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PM ---Paul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies.
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LOL... this guy has lost it
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I pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.
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They're both isolationist... yeah so many similar policies.. you're right.. lol.. and lol @ you using that last one as an example of a similar policy.
By the way, it's spelled SIMILAR... and there's a difference between HE'S & HIS... aren't you in fucking college?
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graduated ;D
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 11, 2008, 12:44:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:32:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 11, 2008, 12:18:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: J @ M @ L on February 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on February 10, 2008, 11:08:39 PM ---Paul is so far right, and Nader so far left that they both actually have simular policies.
--- End quote ---
LOL... this guy has lost it
--- End quote ---
I pointed out some simularities. I know for the most part they are different, but then again, both are anti-war, both are isolationist, and both don't have many supporters over 30.
--- End quote ---
They're both isolationist... yeah so many similar policies.. you're right.. lol.. and lol @ you using that last one as an example of a similar policy.
By the way, it's spelled SIMILAR... and there's a difference between HE'S & HIS... aren't you in fucking college?
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graduated ;D
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Well at least you can always use yourself as a good indication/example of our failing education system.
Here you go... enjoy:
Elevz:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 10, 2008, 12:49:10 PM ---Word, this is exactly what I mean, all of these people who constantly have these ridiculous labels "well i am a centrist leaning but slight leftie" "well i think that you lefties are the cause of the social decline in this country, we need a strong right wing government" "well i think you are all wrong what we need is the liberals" "flaming liberals endanger the stability of this nation with their idiotic poliicies" "
Meanwhile the truth is that these ideologies stopped on having any signifance at the upper echelons of power a long time time ago. Like 123 has said there is no difference in the parties they should just merge, that's not exclusively an opinion on american politics it''s largely the same here, i can't speak on germany or holland but I am sure 123 can speak on that. These labels mean nothing because fundamentally they have shifted the goal posts, they no longer contest or argue about the fundamental principles of constitution, about rights, now it's about giant centralised bureaucracies where the state imposes mass control on all sectors of an individuals life.
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I can't speak for Germany, because honestly I wouldn't even know what kind of coalition they have, but as for the Netherlands... The political parties don't differ much, yet the population is torn into two camps: you're either pro (muslim) immigration, or you're against it. That seems to be the only political issue that really counts right now. ALL BUT ONE of the traditional parties in the parliament (there's like 8 of them) are more or less pro immigration and integration, and they reject the gut feelings of the people and the views which say the islam might not be so great a mixture with the progressive nature of the Dutch culture and the huge load of unwritten rules that naturally evolve with our freedom. There's homosexuals getting beaten for walking hand in hand in Amsterdam, and there's ghetto-like practises evolving in the poor areas of all major cities. The one traditional party who's for zero tolerance is the "People's Party of Freedom and Democracy" (the right winged non-conservative liberals), and basically they only do so because in the past few years two of their most important members have left the party to start parties of their own. These two new parties together are now bigger than any other party. Verdonk and Wilders both preach strong conservativeness towards integration and immigration, the latter being especially outspoken and harsh. He basically found a way to trick the media into generating hypes around him, so no matter what kind of stupid remarks he might make, it'll be picked up and it'll become a major issue among the voters and the politicians. The traditional liberals couldn't stay behind (their electorate is now only a third of what it was in 1998), so they're starting to pick up on these issues. It's a battle they can't win though, as long as Wilders keeps making remarks and manages to stay relevant through the media. You may have heard about his plans on making an anti-Qur'an movie... He's looking to write history by instigating something that'll combine the Danish cartoon controversy and the murder of Theo van Gogh. That's how the Dutch political system works: you say some shit, and the people will vote. You stir up bad vibes among the people, and it'll prove to be a self fulfilling prophecy.
Either way, populism is big, and the differences between most parties is only in nuance. With integration being such an important issue, the political parties who take on extreme viewpoints do best. Yet, at the end of the day, it is the less outspoken parties who always get to form the cabinet and govern the country.
It has to be said though; the Dutch people have always been rather united in their viewpoints. There's little debate on how income taxes should be dealt with, there's little debate on the importance of the welfare state, health care, etc. The only things that seem to differ, concern moral issues. How do we deal with the 'pornification', binge drinking, integration and young offenders, etc. How much tax money should be invested in health care, and how should it be put to use? It seems like there is no fundamental debate - either that, or we've been tricked into believing that everyone else agrees.
virtuoso:
Thanks for clarifying 123 oh and props JML that video clips from George Carlin is so poignant I watched it once before and it perfectly illustrates the point
You can't just get "The Al Quaida" in Pakistan without invading Pakistan! an invasion means a war and yet you are protesting about Obama being seen as a Hawk!.
You are protesting about Obama being pro war when he wants to expand the troop presence in Afghanistan.
You can't talk about getting the islamic militants when islamic militants are being used against Iran, funding by the CIA and the Saudis.
I guess they hand out degrees like food stamps these days!
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