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Clinton Done?
Trauma-san:
She is never done, because she'll never give up. She feels that she's entitled to be president, so she'll fight and do whatever dirty shit she has to do to get back in the white house. She will likely lose the delegate race and then fight tooth and nail at the convention to slander Obama and get the nomination, even if it means destroying the democrat party along the way. She has friends in low places and will call in any favor she can possibly afford from anybody she thinks will help her get the presidency.
I honestly would not put it past her to somehow barter a deal where she's the veep nominee, then work to get Obama assasinated. I honestly don't think she's above that. She could also become veep and try to get him impeached. She's bet the entire farm on this, she's not going to wait and run again in 4 or 8 years, she's getting too old. She feels that her time is now and she will do whatever, to whomever, to hang onto that illusion.
Remember: Until November, she hasn't lost shit. She will stay in this, no matter what the consequences to her, her family, her legacy, Bill's legacy, the party's unity, the dignity Obama and his family deserves, whatever it takes to stay as viable as possible. Until November, her fairy tale of "I'm the next president of the united states!" is still a reality to her.
That's the one thing I can give Obama credit for... while I don't agree with practically any of his politics or his ideas about government or his role in it, I honestly think he's a good man with a good family who, if the shoes were reversed, would put country and probably his party's political ambitions above his own if it were clear he wasn't going to make the nomination.
This whole discussion is the reason Romney dropped out early on the other side. It was clear he wasn't going to win, so he dropped out to save face and be a classy guy about it. As a result, he's sitting pretty for a future run.
Hillary will not drop out, and she's about to destroy any chance she has of running in the future, or being the veep choice because the wounds will be too deep in the party.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on February 21, 2008, 08:41:47 PM ---She is never done, because she'll never give up. She feels that she's entitled to be president, so she'll fight and do whatever dirty shit she has to do to get back in the white house. She will likely lose the delegate race and then fight tooth and nail at the convention to slander Obama and get the nomination, even if it means destroying the democrat party along the way. She has friends in low places and will call in any favor she can possibly afford from anybody she thinks will help her get the presidency.
I honestly would not put it past her to somehow barter a deal where she's the veep nominee, then work to get Obama assasinated. I honestly don't think she's above that. She could also become veep and try to get him impeached. She's bet the entire farm on this, she's not going to wait and run again in 4 or 8 years, she's getting too old. She feels that her time is now and she will do whatever, to whomever, to hang onto that illusion.
Remember: Until November, she hasn't lost shit. She will stay in this, no matter what the consequences to her, her family, her legacy, Bill's legacy, the party's unity, the dignity Obama and his family deserves, whatever it takes to stay as viable as possible. Until November, her fairy tale of "I'm the next president of the united states!" is still a reality to her.
That's the one thing I can give Obama credit for... while I don't agree with practically any of his politics or his ideas about government or his role in it, I honestly think he's a good man with a good family who, if the shoes were reversed, would put country and probably his party's political ambitions above his own if it were clear he wasn't going to make the nomination.
This whole discussion is the reason Romney dropped out early on the other side. It was clear he wasn't going to win, so he dropped out to save face and be a classy guy about it. As a result, he's sitting pretty for a future run.
Hillary will not drop out, and she's about to destroy any chance she has of running in the future, or being the veep choice because the wounds will be too deep in the party.
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I agree completely. I have heard that there are Dems who are scared to take back their backing from Hillary because of the Clinton's influence and that they are hopeful that Obama is their answer to take the Clintons out of power in the Democrat party. In the 90's the Democrats were lost after Reagan had kicked their ass in the 80's and they were looking for answers. Bill Clinton was an outsider and Hillary was a power hungry first lady, but damnit they won and that was more than the rest of the Democrats could say. So the Dems allowed the Dems to run the party, Bill has actually ran the campaigns of many Dems across the country in exchange for their loyality. This has compromised many Dems as they are now indebted to the Clintons, which is why you have lots of Dems who say they still stand behind Hillary even after their voters voted heavily for Obama. The Clintons are power hungry, Bill was thinking of running for head of the UN, and they are trying whatever they can do to return to power. I think if Obama is smart, which he is, he would not allow Hillary to be his VP, he should pick someone like Edwards or hell, Kennedy. If their is one family that has more power than the Clintons in the Democrat party, it's the Kennedy's and Ted's support has allowed other Dems to come out and make it safe to be for Obama. Without Ted's support, Obama does not get as many Super Delegates, and does not win the nomination. It did nothing for the pledge delegates, but it has done wonders for him being able to beat Hillary.
Overall, the Clintons might try anything, if I was Obama, if I win I'd cut her loose and try to distance myself from the Clinton machine.
Doggystylin:
I enjoy reading Trauma's posts, quality since 2001. A lot of people just skim over but you gotta read a Trauma post whether you agree with him or not.
MarkCruz:
--- Quote from: doggystylin on February 23, 2008, 10:30:36 AM ---I enjoy reading Trauma's posts, quality since 2001. A lot of people just skim over but you gotta read a Trauma post whether you agree with him or not.
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STFU NO ONE ASKED.
ALL YOU EVER DO IS PRAISE POSTERS.
THINK FOR YOURSELF, FOR ONCE ;D
Kill:
--- Quote from: SEER & JOME'S LOVECHILD on February 23, 2008, 05:01:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: doggystylin on February 23, 2008, 10:30:36 AM ---I enjoy reading Trauma's posts, quality since 2001. A lot of people just skim over but you gotta read a Trauma post whether you agree with him or not.
--- End quote ---
STFU NO ONE ASKED.
ALL YOU EVER DO IS PRAISE POSTERS.
THINK FOR YOURSELF, FOR ONCE ;D
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Basically I think you're cool, but your obsession with Doggy is getting slightly annyoing. You're spoling my thread :'(
I'm too drunk for a serious answer to Trauma's and M Dogg's posts now, but I might get round to it tomorrow
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