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Survey: Americans switching faiths, dropping out

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Turf Hitta:

--- Quote from: Real American on February 26, 2008, 04:56:17 PM ---I go to church every week, at least I know that I am going to heavan.

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What is you die while masturbating yourself to Asian porn and fantasizing about the gulf of jess before you have a chance to ask the lord to forgive you for your indiscretions?

Elevz:

--- Quote from: Facez on February 28, 2008, 11:33:06 AM ---God wants perfection but  the thing is no one is perfect, you still haved sin
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You're a sinner if you're not flawless? Every man is a sinner, and perfection does not exist? Does that make me, as well as yourself, a sinner, so long as we don't solve every single mystery about the universe - so long as any question remains? Does that mean that to question is a sin? Does that mean the questioning that spawned all great thoughts and inventions was utterly wrong and sinful? In other words, does God ask you to stop being the way He supposedly created you? Does that mean God hates Himself and His magnum opus?

The implications of religion and its fallacies are really very obvious, yet the religious man won't recognise them. Is that because religion is said to be 'above logic' and 'beyond reasonable explaining', as if we're talking about some outer realm - a different reality in a different universe? Well guess what, we do live in our human universe, and that does mean the corrupted implications of religion are very real.


--- Quote from: Facez on February 28, 2008, 11:33:06 AM ---if God judged everyone for the good things that they did he would have to judge everyone differently and then he would also have to judge us for the bad we have done.  that is why christ (sinless/perfect) sacrificed his life (The lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world) for us, that by his sheding of blood we are saved,
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I'm assuming that to live a sinless and perfect life, your life would have to be successful in terms of being maintained and undamaged. To be sinless would be to be full of strength and life.
Anyone who sacrifices his life is a sinner. To give up your life is to erase your very existance. To be without sin is to undertake actions that promote life, not to dispose of it. That makes Jesus Christ a worse sinner than the man who goes out to rob liquor stores - at least a thug's actions are to his benefit. You can't dispose of yourself and rightfully call it a virtue; that's in conflict with the terms of life. Being alive means to be happy, satisfied, stimulated, motivated, integrity, healthy, strong, conscious and vital. They are opposed to submission, blind faith, humbleness, depression, states of moral corruption (such as praising sacrifice), self-restraint - the representatives of death. These do NOT in any way resemble successful life.


--- Quote from: QuietTruth on February 28, 2008, 04:18:22 PM ---Fuck it, ready for my opinions, seeing as though barely anybody on this board believes in God, I'ma be honest and prolly crucified, but fuck it, since we clearly understand how y'all feel about God believers, here's what I think, I think atheist's think they are better than anybody else. That's how I feel. Why do I feel that why? I feel like they put people down, 'y'all are dumb, ain't no such thank as God, y'all gullible'. I feel they like power. We all have rights, and we all choose to believe what we want, however, they seem to think everythang a man does with a sense of God, violates THEIR rights.
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I'm sorry QT, but not even Job could match the amount of ignorant bullshit you just spouted. I know you've got the integrity to be sincere like this and I respect you for that reason, but your post made no sense at all.
You know how 'we' feel about about God believers? Are you sure? I'm not seeing anyone getting disrespected or picked at for his beliefs. This is a message board and we exchange thoughts. Whenever people disagree, does that necessarily mean they can't get along? Get the hell out of here - some of my best friends are people with views that differ greatly from mine. Some are religious, some are left wingers, some are hedonists, but they are beautiful people after all. I can have the greatest conversations in the world with a religious friend.

Do you notice the contradiction when you say "I think atheists think they are better than anybody else" and you conclude they lack faith? You say they lack faith, yet according to you they do believe they are better. It's a different kind of faith, to believe in one self, but a very fundamental one at that.

I simply refuse to give a personal response to your outcry against atheists. You're condemning people in a way that reminds me of the black nationalists on this board. Next time when you make such statements, ask yourself, who's being intolerant to who?


--- Quote from: QuietTruth on February 28, 2008, 04:18:22 PM ---There's no such thang as God becuz there's no proof. Well there is proof. Y'all just don't wanna see it.
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Provide proof and the world shall be a better place. We don't want to see it? You know that's bullshit, because all atheists go by is reason. Provide reasonable proof! Atheists want to know, not to believe or assume or guess.


--- Quote from: QuietTruth on February 28, 2008, 04:18:22 PM ---I just am SHOCKED, becuz I never KNEW atheism is as big as it is. Esp in America.
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That's right. You assumed - you blanked out any sense of willing to test and find the truth; but you didn't really know. Reality proves to be different, and now it has you shook. Voix-là: the nature of believing. Buckshot once put it nicely: "Don't believe; belief is blind faith." It blanks out reality, for a lack of urging to find the truth. What you get is a state of deliberate deception.


--- Quote from: QuietTruth on February 28, 2008, 04:18:22 PM ---I find it crazy that Britain brought religion HERE and lived by it, we all know history so I ain't gon explain, but they brought it HERE, built the new world on religion and now they don't believe in it. Hmm. Britain is like what, more than 30% atheist? Now, America's gonna follow them again?
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The Dutch founded New York, and the largest proportion of the Dutch is atheistic now (42% - www.cbs.nl). Those numbers are probably even downplaying the amount of atheists in this country - since birth I have been registered as a member of the Calvinist church, can you imagine? There's probably plenty of others like me who are blindly counted as being religious.
So what, the Brits brought religion to the US? GB itself used to be highly religious back then, but things have changed. You make it seem as if changing is unforgivable. Forget about progress, don't let things evolve and develop?


--- Quote from: QuietTruth on February 28, 2008, 04:18:22 PM ---All I'ma say is faith move mountains, it has explanations, and in my heart it's the truth. I CAN'T comprehend how ya'll look the other way, but I guess ya'll can say the same for me. That's life I suppose.

I just don't like the 'atheist' belief. I think it takes away from hope. I think it's not gettin' pushed off as an 'excuse' now. All I think it is, is a scary trend, and we all know once one person starts somethang, followers come with it. Kinda like the frobidden fruit. Put faith into somethang ya'll, it's not bad, trust.
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And atheists don't have faith?


--- Code: ---faith (fāth) pronunciation
n.

   1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
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(Answers.com)

After having read the rest of my post, you know atheists are not at all devoid of faith. They just don't like blind faith. Scary trend, huh?

Facez:

--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 29, 2008, 11:24:43 AM ---You're a sinner if you're not flawless? Every man is a sinner, and perfection does not exist? Does that make me, as well as yourself, a sinner, so long as we don't solve every single mystery about the universe - so long as any question remains? Does that mean that to question is a sin? Does that mean the questioning that spawned all great thoughts and inventions was utterly wrong and sinful? In other words, does God ask you to stop being the way He supposedly created you? Does that mean God hates Himself and His magnum opus?
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Sorry for not replying sooner I've been busy. Eleven I just want to say that, You misunderstood me, when I said God wants perfection I didn't mean he wants us to know everything knowing. I meant perfect in the sense of sinless, God wants us to be sinless, sorry for that misunderstanding,  I should of used a better word, I meant that no human being is perfect (sinless not omniscient or omnipotent,) to be sinless is to be without spot or blemish. , yes everyone has committed sin (you and I), everyone has either lied, stolen, coveted, etc therefore we are sinners, people don't consider things like lying or stealing wrong or "that bad" but God does because God is holy and sinners can not enter the kingdom of God sin has to be removed from the record of the sinner in order to enter heaven.

That is why God sent his sinless son to die for us because the bible says

"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins"

We are made perfect through Christ


--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on February 29, 2008, 11:24:43 AM ---I'm assuming that to live a sinless and perfect life, your life would have to be successful in terms of being maintained and undamaged. To be sinless would be to be full of strength and life.
Anyone who sacrifices his life is a sinner. To give up your life is to erase your very existance. To be without sin is to undertake actions that promote life, not to dispose of it. That makes Jesus Christ a worse sinner than the man who goes out to rob liquor stores - at least a thug's actions are to his benefit. You can't dispose of yourself and rightfully call it a virtue; that's in conflict with the terms of life
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When I said Christ sacrificed his life I didn't mean that he commitied suicide

Definititon of sacrifice: the act of losing or surrendering something as a penalty for a mistake or fault or failure to perform

Its not suicide because first of all Christ didn't put the nails in his hands and hang himself on the cross,  or asked any one to of that matter, people were out looking for him to kill him and instead of running he admitted that he was the one they were looking for and they took him and killed him.

Second of all Jesus was Gods gift to humanity, Gods word made flesh so therefore Jesus wasn't a normal man, if Jesus was a natural man his dying on the cross would have been in vain because natural man is sinful.

That is how we are made right through Christ, because he was the (word of God)

This is basically the purpose of Jesus (the word of God) Sin entered the world through Adam In order for man to be redeemed of sin a sacrifice had to be made, since everything on earth is tainted with sin God had to enter the physical realm through a spotless/sinless body which he created from his own word, in order to redeem man from sin that body had to take on the sins of the world in order to die go to hell (to take the authority over death that satan stole from man) so that death may be overcome, God was the only that that could overcome death because his is life and cant die.

Turf Hitta:
^^^If God wanted us to be sinless then he would have made us that way. He didn't make us sinless either because he didn't want to or because he can't. If he just didn't want to make us sinless, then he is a vile vengeful God for punishing us for being the way he made us. If he didn't make us sinless because he can't then he is in fact not omnipotent, which would imply that he is not God. LOL

Facez:
turf God didnt make us this way, he made us sinless but do you remember the story of adam and eve

adam (man) was sinless but rejected the way of God (Gods perfect will for man) and listened to satan which allowed sin to enter into the world. God created Adam and told him what to do to live a peaceful, joyful & carefree life but Adam rejected it therefore forfiting eternal life because if you dont want it Gods way (eternal life) your only left with satan way (death, suffering, pain, stress), there is no middle.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man (Adam), and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

but thank God cuz he made a way Through his son to bring us back, a free gift given unto all men

Romans 5:15-19  But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! (16)Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. (17) For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

(18)Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. (19) For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Peace

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