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The King:
The structure of awarding delegates in this country, is completely and 100% ridiculous. It's screwed up the whole election, and it makes no sense. Winner Take All, proportional delegates, state wide proportional, it's all backwards. It's particular stupid how different both parties work.

For example, if Clinton wins every district in a State, with a state wide vote of 60%, she only gets 60% of the delegates, even though she won every district. Or for WTA, Romney gets 31%, McCain gets 33%, and McCain wins 100% of the delegates. It makes NO SENSE. And it's not fair.

California has it right. Win a district, you win all of that districts delegates. It's the fair way to do it. The whole country, every state, should work the same way. Win a district, you get it's delegates. No winner take all, no popular vote proportion.

If the whole country voted the same way, in a sensible manner, the RIGHT candidate would be the nominee. The only reason McCain won the nomination, was because he won Florida. And he only won by a few percent. It's a travesty. It's also lead to the dead heat between Obama and Clinton.

Every state should award delegates in the same way, by congressional district. Win a district, win the delegates. That's the way it should be. Winner Take All, makes NO SENSE. 

Sikotic™:
It's just a way to justify corruption if you ask me. It's like when the Catholic church would deceive people who couldn't read the bible. The system is made so god damn confusing that most people don't understand it.

Trauma-san:
Here's the problem, though... there's nothing in the law that says you have to be a republican or democrat to be elected president.

Now, we know common sense tells you that well, you pretty much DO have to be a republican or democrat...


but the reason Mitt Romney ultimately didn't win was because he chose to run as a republican, and therefore had to abide by the republican rules that they use to pick their candidate.  Get the issue there?  If Romney had simply ran for president, he wouldn't even have to be nominated, he could just declare himself a candidate and run!

Now, the republican party would nominate someone using their system, and then that person would reap the benefits of nearly every republican elected official campaigning for him, and all the money that comes with it, etc. so that's why people choose to run as a republican.

Same thing on the democrat side.

So what you're bitching about doesn't have anything to do with the u.s. election for president, it specifically has to do with how fucked up the republican and democrat parties are.  I agree.  I'm a conservative, I have nobody running to vote for.  I won't vote for John McCain, I don't like him and I'm tired of the bigger government the republican party represents.  I'm definately not voting for the democrat nominee, because they're even worse.  If Mitt Romney or someone like him ran as an independent, I would vote for them. 

The King:
^ Good post, I 100% agree.

I'll use Canada as an example, their are 5 major parties, the Liberals, New Democrat, Conservative, Green and the Bloc parties. All of them get reasonable percentages of the vote during a federal election. It'd be safe to say it's at least a 4 party system. The draw back is, we don't elect the leader of the parties. The party picks who will represent the party and run in the election. This is a problem, but they get to pick from multiple different candidates. Since we have so many parties, theres bound to be one who we like. And it's also not Winner takes the Province.

The beauty of the system is, which IMO makes Canada's government superior to the Americans is, the opposition (who recieved the second most votes in the last federal election) can call a new federal election any time they want before the 4 year term is up. So if the people are pissed off, we could have a federal election and pick a new Prime Minister next month.

It's the most sensible thing in the world. A leader doesn't do what he says, or does something unpopular, we don't need to put up with it for 4 years. The house calls an election, and we get to vote again, even 1 month after the election took place.

Trauma-san:
Yeah, that's all great except basically you're voting for the 4 people the government tells you to vote for.  Get the fuck off your high horse, you guys are being spoon fed 4 guys and you think you have choices and everything's free.  Superior to the U.S. Government?  Please.  In 200 years the U.S. has dominated the world, quicker and stronger than any country before it.  Our constitution is based on limiting the government (which is still a struggle) and assumes that everybody has inalienable rights, it's not a document that grants people rights.  The U.S. government is far superior to any government in the world, and that includes our friends in Canada. 

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