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White people got a superiority complex....
Elevz:
I feel stupid for even writing up a reply after such a ridiculous outcry, which was totally out of context. I'll do it anyway, because you're generally a decent poster.
Let me begin by stating this:
There was no threat or no diss intended in my entire post. I do not intend to ridicule anyone. I'll only point out issues that I feel have a strong counterargument against them. That's all I'm doing here when I'm posting. On a side note: me confusing you for Baby G was a foolish mistake. I take that back, and even though it was never intended as a diss or anything likewise, I do apologize for it.
My response to your statement:
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on March 02, 2008, 05:09:23 PM ---im happy im intelligent, i dont need the urge to prove it by writing up big texts on here with perfect punctuation
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All I'm saying is that when you put it like that - talking about not feeling "the urge to prove intelligence by writing up big text with perfect punctuation" - do you realize that by the way you expressed it, you make it seem as if you think those who do style up their posts are insecure about the way they are perceived, and feel the need to prove their status?
That's how it came across to me, and even though it may have been unintended by you, I did tell you the reason why I do. It's simply me: always looking for the greatest possible accuracy. You now see what happens when people get sloppy in the way they express their thoughts: miscommunication, misunderstanding, and foulish misinterpretations. I sure did get somewhat sloppy there.
Besides, by saying "That's a diss, lol." I implied (or meant to imply) that I do not take it very personal (hence the lol), but I do feel as if you're talking about me (among others) there.
Another thing I said, is that it'd be more ridiculous for me to switch my style up and start typing in a less considerate manner. That's just not me, and you should always be you. No compromising, no slickness, just being real and authentic. That's what I consider really important.
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on March 03, 2008, 07:02:53 AM ---Now now now...you say ones skin colour is not an achievement...now i never said that it is (again you assume) but i do feel you should be proud of your skin colour. Why? Because whether u want to admit it or not, it plays a big part in our lives. There is nothing wrong with being proud to be black/white or whatever and still be accepting and treat everyone else the same. Dang, i couldnt give a fuck if you're black or white, im proud to be black but that dont mean i dont like white people or people of any other skin coilour.
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I am NOT putting words into your mouth or assuming anything. I simply reflected on your statement of being proud of your racial background. The connection is simple. I did NOT say you said skin color is an achievement. All I said, is that it isn't. What I said, is that you should be proud of achievements of any kind. But being born with a certain complexion - I still don't see why that's something to be proud of. The skin colour doesn't change anything about the person you are. The world may respond differently, thus for someone to be black and making it big perhaps is a bigger achievement. Still, the thing to be proud of won't be the skin colour, but the actual achievement.
Let me put the wikipedia-definition next to it, and you'll see why I'm making a case out of this:
"Pride is an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with, or to think of one's self as being better than anyone else."
Now... Should you have self-respect BECAUSE you are black? Or because you're a good person, because of your integrity, because of your achievements?
Pride is a matter of considering oneself superior, one way or the other. Should you think of yourself as being better than anyone else, BECAUSE you're black? I think that's bullshit. Let's focus on the things that really matter; the things that really deserve value. It's not one's skin colour, it's not the size of your nose or the street you were born in. It's who you are, what you do, and why. Greatness doesn't come with a skin colour. Not for whites, nor for blacks.
I don't even think it matters who your parents are. You shouldn't be proud of them. You can respect them though, in a major way, if that's what they deserve. You can be proud of yourself for recognising that your parents are valuable people. But you shouldn't be proud, just because they are your parents. Just because they are your parents, doesn't make you a better person. The greatest man who ever walked the earth could have had a son that wasn't worth a dime. It's highly unlikely because most likely that great man would have raised his kids properly, but you get the idea. True pride can only be achieved. There's no free passes in the world of judgement.
Anyway, I hope this will settle things. Let us get along and discuss the things that are worth discussing.
QuietTruth:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on March 02, 2008, 09:16:47 PM ---AS for the other convo., I've known tons of white people in my life, and without question the most racist are the poorest, and the least racist are the richest. I sometimes run into somebody rich who's racist, but usually it's the 'good ol boy' type who had some kind of construction company or something and kindof used-car-salesman'd his way into being rich. If you meet white people who inherited money, or had a white-collar job that made them rich, they are almost never racist. They may be unconsciously racist, i.e. lock their doors when they see a black guy walk towards the car, but would be the first people to help out somebody in need no matter what their skin color is, or teach their kids that everybody is equal, etc. or hire a black guy with no second thoughts about it.
I've met plenty of poor white people who just talk shit about blacks and call them niggers all day long. You will NEVER hear a rich white person call somebody a nigger. It's probably pretty closely related to education, I would imagine.
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Don't anybody gotta say shit, it's all in attitude.
LyRiCaL_G:
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on March 03, 2008, 09:08:03 AM ---I feel stupid for even writing up a reply after such a ridiculous outcry, which was totally out of context. I'll do it anyway, because you're generally a decent poster.
Let me begin by stating this:
There was no threat or no diss intended in my entire post. I do not intend to ridicule anyone. I'll only point out issues that I feel have a strong counterargument against them. That's all I'm doing here when I'm posting. On a side note: me confusing you for Baby G was a foolish mistake. I take that back, and even though it was never intended as a diss or anything likewise, I do apologize for it.
My response to your statement:
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on March 02, 2008, 05:09:23 PM ---im happy im intelligent, i dont need the urge to prove it by writing up big texts on here with perfect punctuation
--- End quote ---
All I'm saying is that when you put it like that - talking about not feeling "the urge to prove intelligence by writing up big text with perfect punctuation" - do you realize that by the way you expressed it, you make it seem as if you think those who do style up their posts are insecure about the way they are perceived, and feel the need to prove their status?
That's how it came across to me, and even though it may have been unintended by you, I did tell you the reason why I do. It's simply me: always looking for the greatest possible accuracy. You now see what happens when people get sloppy in the way they express their thoughts: miscommunication, misunderstanding, and foulish misinterpretations. I sure did get somewhat sloppy there.
Besides, by saying "That's a diss, lol." I implied (or meant to imply) that I do not take it very personal (hence the lol), but I do feel as if you're talking about me (among others) there.
Another thing I said, is that it'd be more ridiculous for me to switch my style up and start typing in a less considerate manner. That's just not me, and you should always be you. No compromising, no slickness, just being real and authentic. That's what I consider really important.
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on March 03, 2008, 07:02:53 AM ---Now now now...you say ones skin colour is not an achievement...now i never said that it is (again you assume) but i do feel you should be proud of your skin colour. Why? Because whether u want to admit it or not, it plays a big part in our lives. There is nothing wrong with being proud to be black/white or whatever and still be accepting and treat everyone else the same. Dang, i couldnt give a fuck if you're black or white, im proud to be black but that dont mean i dont like white people or people of any other skin coilour.
--- End quote ---
I am NOT putting words into your mouth or assuming anything. I simply reflected on your statement of being proud of your racial background. The connection is simple. I did NOT say you said skin color is an achievement. All I said, is that it isn't. What I said, is that you should be proud of achievements of any kind. But being born with a certain complexion - I still don't see why that's something to be proud of. The skin colour doesn't change anything about the person you are. The world may respond differently, thus for someone to be black and making it big perhaps is a bigger achievement. Still, the thing to be proud of won't be the skin colour, but the actual achievement.
Let me put the wikipedia-definition next to it, and you'll see why I'm making a case out of this:
"Pride is an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with, or to think of one's self as being better than anyone else."
Now... Should you have self-respect BECAUSE you are black? Or because you're a good person, because of your integrity, because of your achievements?
Pride is a matter of considering oneself superior, one way or the other. Should you think of yourself as being better than anyone else, BECAUSE you're black? I think that's bullshit. Let's focus on the things that really matter; the things that really deserve value. It's not one's skin colour, it's not the size of your nose or the street you were born in. It's who you are, what you do, and why. Greatness doesn't come with a skin colour. Not for whites, nor for blacks.
I don't even think it matters who your parents are. You shouldn't be proud of them. You can respect them though, in a major way, if that's what they deserve. You can be proud of yourself for recognising that your parents are valuable people. But you shouldn't be proud, just because they are your parents. Just because they are your parents, doesn't make you a better person. The greatest man who ever walked the earth could have had a son that wasn't worth a dime. It's highly unlikely because most likely that great man would have raised his kids properly, but you get the idea. True pride can only be achieved. There's no free passes in the world of judgement.
Anyway, I hope this will settle things. Let us get along and discuss the things that are worth discussing.
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i guess if you can apologize than so can I! Nah for real if you got the wrong end of the stick and though i was attacking you or someone similar directly, i wasn't. Overall i also think you're a decent poster and i usually get along with you, i've never had a problem with you, sometimes things get misunderstooo...no biggie.
Anyways just like to add one thing...in your definition you posted...its not saying to be proud of things which you yourself have only done...it says "as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with" so i still believe there is nothing wrong in being proud of your parents, infact by the definition you posted it only furthers my arguement in terms of that IMHO...you can have respect for your parents for what they have done and if they're very good parents and have done alot for you, i see nothing wrong with having some pride about who your parents are.
Thats all i really wanted to say, i think overall you made a decent reply so if you got some problems with me or something still, its all good because i aint got nothing against you or did have, i just didnt agree with your initial post but i guess thats been cleared.
like u say, lets get on and talk about better things!
pz!
virtuoso:
Yeah basically in regards to me talking about the elites I am referring to the fact that an extremely small group of individuals command all the power and wealth. Their driving ideology is that this is the natural selection and thus to holder on to their monopolising of power. It's important to create as much friction, inner conflict and disunity as possible. That is not to say there are not real problems, there always have been but in the greater scheme of things, it's becoming embroiled in a distraction. Meanwhile we are embroiled in a distraction, it seems like race is the focal point for everything and it's never going to be, there is never going to be an end to it and yet we allow ourselves to get caught up in it. Heck I am no better, the thread is started off by someone who really is deeply confused is only continued on the negative by someone who is just deeply indoctrinated with bullshit that they will never see through and yet this thread is now 3 pages deep lol. Okay enough on this one dipshits will be dipshits and self hating white boys will be self hating white boys.
THERapist Ben:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on March 02, 2008, 09:16:47 PM ---I don't have a superiority complex. I think some white people, namely Infinite, are pretty fucking inferior.
For instance; you won't find a black guy talking shit about his own race. You won't find a black guy who isn't proud to be black.
AS for the other convo., I've known tons of white people in my life, and without question the most racist are the poorest, and the least racist are the richest. I sometimes run into somebody rich who's racist, but usually it's the 'good ol boy' type who had some kind of construction company or something and kindof used-car-salesman'd his way into being rich. If you meet white people who inherited money, or had a white-collar job that made them rich, they are almost never racist. They may be unconsciously racist, i.e. lock their doors when they see a black guy walk towards the car, but would be the first people to help out somebody in need no matter what their skin color is, or teach their kids that everybody is equal, etc. or hire a black guy with no second thoughts about it.
I've met plenty of poor white people who just talk shit about blacks and call them niggers all day long. You will NEVER hear a rich white person call somebody a nigger. It's probably pretty closely related to education, I would imagine.
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Blacks/Africans have the worst issue when it comes to self love. There are a plentiful amount of blacks who hate their skin complexion or denounce their own heritage/culture. That's another topic however. But props on the last paragraph, totally with you on that one.
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