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M Dogg™:

--- Quote from: virtuoso on March 12, 2008, 04:24:16 PM ---Was he moved by those poor polar bears who are incapable of swimming to do you think?
As for that low life Al Gore, do you know the size of his home and what it costs to heat it? I will give you some figures since you won't bother to look into it, it costs 20 times the average u.s home to heat his and yet that fucker is saying oh we must stop evil energy wastage give me a break.

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oh by the way, post the numbers... or I can did it for you, I've heard them but I'm sure that I can google them pretty easy.

virtuoso:

My bad I wasn't sure if you were joking but the latter part I just added, remains valid.

Australian Bastard:
Rockefeller said, "we will have world government whether we like it or not". What he is saying is actually true. The question is what type of world or form of world government will we allow it to be. We already have a global government of sorts and im not talking about just the UN, its the banks, the intelligence community, the military industrial complex and our global integrated market...whether or not this was an inevitability of world capitalism or not, barriers between nations have gradually been broken down, economically, socially, militarily, politically,etc. I dislike alot of facets of this loose system of global governance but also, I agree with that woman. We need an international consensus on emissions, the environment, pollution. Now saying that this is going to furthure promote World Government is not far fetched, who knows what could happen at the end of the rainbow?  But to single out one thing like a worldwide civil concern for the environment projected onto an international scale and pin the blame for centralisaition of world power on that is unfair and dosn't make sense in regards to the broader reality.

Australia just voted for a government whose election promise was to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and the government has. I currently believe in the UN, the UN does so much good for people in the world. All is corruptable, all conditioned things are impermanent, however, the UN's ambition is not and never was for world government, the UN is just a gathering of nations where disputes can be heard. It only starts to look like a World Government when you put it in context of the international banking system, the global market, etc. But if you look at the UN itself, it is actually geared against alot of these other facets of the world governance system.
Checks and balances.

We need an international consensus on pollution and emissions and you don't need a world government just for that. What we have in place now will do just fine.

I remember back to the early 90s in Australia, nobody gave a flying fuck for pollution, the Green Party was considered totally nuts and radical, now former members of the Greens are in government (Peter Garett, former Midnight Oil rock band frontman). This is not all just a systematic move towards world government,  more people are just starting to have a concern. At the end of the day, I am also cynical of what will transpire on the international stage, but I am also optimistic at least with my own government and the private organisations. Many of yall don't know that STEVE IRWIN was a big contributer to GREENPEACE, damn right Steve was all about saving the animals and the environment, his GREENPEACE ship the Steve Irwin, has been keeping the fucking Japs from killing whales in the Pacific. There is alot of little things going on that reflect a growing concern amongst people with what they contribute to the environment and this concern is being reflected on the international stage.

What can we do to make the world better? More power? Less power?

I believe we need to focus on individuals and individual consciousness, if the average person's independent thought is expanded and their spiritual growth strenghtened...we will be fighting the winning battle and the particulars will follow. 

virtuoso:

Environmental concerns are real, I am not bashing people concerned about the environment and you are right world government exists but in a more covert form there are still vestiges of freedom. However it's like the Twilight Zone when you read history and see that it's repeating itself, that people are sleep walking into totalitarianism as a means of solving the problem. It's insane to think that people have become accepting of biofuels despite it driving an already toppling economy to the point where people are using their credit cards to pay for food. It's insane to think that people are accepting of food shortages when you only have to take a step back and realise how this is going to lead to mass starvation in the third world. The difference this time, is that the totalitarian system is masquerading itself as something loving and caring. The U.N has lots of good people within it's midsts but the organisation itself is the acceptable fact of global military. The fact is though the same fucks that run so many other systems, run the U.N to, it was the U.N that imposed oil for food which just "accidentally" killed a million or so. It is the U.N who according to this informative yet gatekeeping article http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/, it's the U.N who accidentally give infected batches to poor people in the third world http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/mar/04031101.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/mar/04031101.html, it's the U.N whose troops have systematically raped children in Sierra Leone.


This idea that we can have a right wing or left wing global government is a bunch of bullshit it;s a false choice. Even if the people running the global government were angels, power corrupts and global power would have been stalin's wet dream. What happens 2 years 5 years down the line? when an evil dictator becomes installed into power, it will be too late to look for a firewall then.

Australian Bastard:
^You keep an eye on shit which is very good. You should think about a career within the political system in your country!

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