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They Want To Get Rid Of US Public Schools
Trauma-san:
Basically the government is so large that anything they run is totally overrun by corruption and a lack of efficency. Since there's so many schools, all ran by the government it's impossible for them to keep track of how things are actually going on a local level, so they have to set up systems designed to provide success... but systems that large can't possibly work on a local level, so you end up with superintendants who lose their job if key measures aren't met... so they lean on the principals to make sure these certain elements are met, and they lean on the teachers to make sure these certain elements are met... and what you have at the end of the day is a bunch of people running around trying to make sure a certain statistic looks good or else they all lose their jobs.
In a free market, though, each school would be ran on it's own, by it's own board of directors, or a single owner, or whatever. They'd be in the school everyday, they'd see what's working, what isn't working, they'd be in competition with other schools to do a better job of teaching and they'd also have to have better prices if they expected to get attendance up, etc. They'd be in competition with other schools for the best teachers as well, so they'd have to offer the maximum possible pay to the teachers. Each school could have it's own rules and regulations, and each school could specialize in different areas of education.
It's really a pretty simple philsophy that is pretty much unassailable, anything the government does the free market can do much better. There's not much of an argument against it. Since I know you're a democrat, though, I know you're basically just looking for a handout and won't agree with anything a libertarian or republican thinks since much of it deals in personal responsibility and paying your own way.
Javier:
--- Quote from: Trauma-san on March 12, 2008, 08:43:59 PM --- Since I know you're a democrat, though, I know you're basically just looking for a handout and won't agree with anything a libertarian or republican thinks since much of it deals in personal responsibility and paying your own way.
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What a judgmental piece of shit.
M Dogg™:
You want free market education, go to Mexico. Most their wealthy elite kids graduate, come to the US for education, go back and become very successful. Their priviate school are some of the world's best. Everyone else, well, you can hire them at your local Home Depot to mow your lawn. I want a system were the poor has access to quality education from a young age. At one time, California was the envy of the world. Japanese would go to classrooms and study their education system. After tax cut after tax cut and the rise of highly regarded private schooling in rich neighborhoods, education has fallen so hard in California, Los Angeles has more drop outs than graduates, some schools have day care for students babies and Californians envy Texas of all places for better education. But from 1967-1999 Ronald Reagan, George Deukmejian, and Pete Wilson ran the state with Jerry Brown in the middle. Deukmejian, who was Reagan's right hand man in Cali, did the worst damage to our public school system in the 80's, and Wilson finished the job in the 90's.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Tommy Fits >>> cali on March 12, 2008, 07:26:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Abd. Inf. presents... RIP Lucky Dube on March 12, 2008, 04:13:12 PM ---That would be great if they got rid of public schools (government schools)!
I didn't have time to read the whole article, but as a Libertarian I know that anything ran by the government is not as efficient as something ran by the free market. The government school system is a joke. They standardize everything, so that everybody has to learn the same thing.
If we got rid of public schools, then the free market would offer private institutions in it's place, where one could learn what they want to learn, in half the time, and at half the cost.
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I hear this from Libertarians all the time, could you go more in dept or any libertarian go more in dept for me on how this would work. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything I really am curious lol.
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Look at it this way...
Let's say you have a private school, and it is not being ran in an efficient manner, it's prices are too expensive, and the kids aren't learning anything. Well, what naturally happens in free market economics (provided there is no government interference), is that the parents will remove their kids from that school and instead spend their money at a competing school. Therefore the school will lose it's money and support and have to close it's business. You see, in the free market, you either produce results, or you have to close your business.
Now, compare that to a public institution like public schools. If a public school is inefficient, too costly to the taxpayers, and the kids aren't learning anything... then guess what, some politician will run for re-election claiming they are the "pro-education" candidate. What that means, is that they will call for more money from the taxpayers to re-fund this failing school, and they will want more government oversight, which means more paper work, more rules and regulations, more bureaucracy, more redtape... so that... like Trauma said, the principals and teachers will spend more time trying to meet government mandates, rather than teaching the students in the best way possible.
Also, in public schools, you learn what the government (people like George Bush and Newt Gingrich) want you to learn; while in private institutions, each individual parent and student gets to decide for themselves what education is going to be most important to them, their child's future, and prospective employers.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: M Dogg for Obama on March 12, 2008, 09:40:00 PM ---You want free market education, go to Mexico. Most their wealthy elite kids graduate, come to the US for education, go back and become very successful. Their priviate school are some of the world's best. Everyone else, well, you can hire them at your local Home Depot to mow your lawn. I want a system were the poor has access to quality education from a young age. At one time, California was the envy of the world. Japanese would go to classrooms and study their education system. After tax cut after tax cut and the rise of highly regarded private schooling in rich neighborhoods, education has fallen so hard in California, Los Angeles has more drop outs than graduates, some schools have day care for students babies and Californians envy Texas of all places for better education. But from 1967-1999 Ronald Reagan, George Deukmejian, and Pete Wilson ran the state with Jerry Brown in the middle. Deukmejian, who was Reagan's right hand man in Cali, did the worst damage to our public school system in the 80's, and Wilson finished the job in the 90's.
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Actually, schools in America, less than 100 years ago were ran privately. And ever since the government has gotten more and more involved the schools have continued to become more dangerous and students are graduating with lower scores.
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