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Turf Hitta:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg for Obama on March 20, 2008, 07:21:04 AM ---I can't wait until we elect Obama and get out of this mess.
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What exactly is Obama going to do?
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IMO, whatever Obama does as president there will be 'mess' regardless, invading Iraq opened a can of worms , Bush put us into a point of no-return. There will be blood either way if we leave or we don't, the problem is that If we leave the country there is the risk of another Hugo Chavez in Iraq, then what was the point of it all then? Might aswell not of invaded the country in the first place....these are problems and scenarios most people don't care about, most people don't see the fantastical 'project for a new-american century' big picture, most people only care for what they can feel and see immediately, so people either see the immediate violence and pain or they either feel the immediate fear of terrorism...THE HORROR....
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LOL wow, really? Might as well not have invaded in the first place. Sounds like a good idea now. If only somebody had thought of that a few years ago...
virtuoso:
Perhaps it's time to lose labels like neocon and describe him more broadly as an imperialist corporate evil piece of scum then. If you need to ask yourself why did the Iraq war, why did the Afghanistan war happen, then read The Project For The New American Century's (PNAC) paper which was written a year before September 11, called Rebuilding Americas Defences. The lengthy document outlines the intention to impose complete global dominance using american people as the cannon fodder. The only flip side of the Iraq war in a positive sense that is, is it finally exposes to everyone how wars are not fought on humanitarian grounds. The cloak has finally been lifted and what's more, people have started to understand that the war is not being fought for the betterment of the people and instead for the continued monopoly of an elite few groups.
As for Afghanistan...
Opium has increased 1000%
British troops are being paid to safeguard the opium, the biggest drug dealers have been and always will be those who say they are fighting it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6405
Australian Bastard:
--- Quote from: Turf Hitta on March 26, 2008, 01:22:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: Illuminatus Overfiendus on March 21, 2008, 11:49:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Real American on March 21, 2008, 07:13:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg for Obama on March 20, 2008, 07:21:04 AM ---I can't wait until we elect Obama and get out of this mess.
--- End quote ---
What exactly is Obama going to do?
--- End quote ---
IMO, whatever Obama does as president there will be 'mess' regardless, invading Iraq opened a can of worms , Bush put us into a point of no-return. There will be blood either way if we leave or we don't, the problem is that If we leave the country there is the risk of another Hugo Chavez in Iraq, then what was the point of it all then? Might aswell not of invaded the country in the first place....these are problems and scenarios most people don't care about, most people don't see the fantastical 'project for a new-american century' big picture, most people only care for what they can feel and see immediately, so people either see the immediate violence and pain or they either feel the immediate fear of terrorism...THE HORROR....
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LOL wow, really? Might as well not have invaded in the first place. Sounds like a good idea now. If only somebody had thought of that a few years ago...
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....a few years ago practically the whole world was screaming it, 2003 saw the largest anti-war protests in history all around the world.
MarkCruz:
I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE MORE THAN THE SOLDIERS.
Australian Bastard:
I feel sorry for everybody, the Iraqis, the soldiers, the insurgents, the suicide bombers, the kids, the puppies. I also feel sorry about how unenlightened our rulers are.
And those whose hearts are fixed on Reality itself deserve the title of Philosophers.
-Plato, The Republic.
I cannot tell if what the world considers 'happiness' is happiness or not.
All I know is that when I consider the way they go about attaining it, I see them carried away headlong, grim and obsessed, in the general onrush of the human herd, unable to stop themselves or to change their direction.
All the while they claim to be just on the point of attaining happiness.
-Chuang-tzu.
...there will be no end to the troubles of states, or indeed...of humanity itself, till philosophers are kings in this world,
or till those we now call kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers, and political power and philosophy thus come into the same hands,
while the many natures now content to follow either to the exclusion of the other are forcibly debarred from doing so.
This is what I have hesitated to say so long, knowing what a paradox it would sound...for there is no other road to happiness, either for society or the individual.
-Plato, The Republic.
Become your own Government man, become your own
Live, you gotta live strong, you'know'what'I'mean?
-Killah Priest, "Essential", off The Offering.
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