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Do You Believe In Fate?
7even:
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on April 04, 2008, 11:04:45 AM ---Down to a certain point, you can say that everything that happens is only a reaction to the other things that are happening, which happen as a logical reaction to other things, etc. You can compare this to rack breaking in a game of eight-ball: all the balls interact, and a highly complicated formula probably could predict exactly where each of the balls would end. It's all logical and predictable, albeit extremely complicated. To a certain degree, you could say the very same is constantly going on on a way larger scale, determining all the courses of existance. That's the world we as humans live in.
Yes. But to say that things "are written" and "meant to be" is basically like raping that theory. You know what I mean.
And yes, the environment obviously does influence who you are as a person. Great inventions become possible only after someone else made some other inventions first. It's a social environment you're born in, that determines your culture, your language and all the things you get in touch with. That's where you learn. That's what determines what happens to your genes, and how they evolve into a person.
Of course. Still, I think our genes have significantly more influence on us than our environment does.
One aspect of all of this should not be overlooked. Amidst all the influences, at the end of the day, you're still a human being. Human beings have a thinking faculty. They reason. No matter how comforting the thought of not being responsible for the things that happen in your life might be, the fact is that you're a thinking human being, and your thinking does influence the things you do. The things you do, influence what happens. Your life isn't totally beyond your control. Don't act like it is - don't back out of responsibility, because your life will become a mysterious misery if you practice what such beliefs preach.
To be honest, I think that point is stronly connected to the one before. Genes and environment. We, as human beings, DO reason.. but come the fuck on. If you were some random nigga born in Panama, you would not be doing whatever the heck you are doing right now. Especially not if you were also dumb as fuck, 5'0'', female and 230lbs on top of that. Genes DO mean a FUCKING lot.
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jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Foday-muh'fuckin-Sankoh, bitch! on April 04, 2008, 06:32:29 AM ---Yes, I believe in fate. The fate of the pale faces is to burn in hell for being Yakub Crew scum. It is Allah's will, destined to come.
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the term "pale faces" is so poignant. I love it.
when it rains it pours:
i dunno no man, i have mixed feelings.
http://www.youtube.com/v/zJM4EBuL82o&hl=en
Elevz:
--- Quote from: 7even on April 04, 2008, 06:59:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on April 04, 2008, 11:04:45 AM ---Down to a certain point, you can say that everything that happens is only a reaction to the other things that are happening, which happen as a logical reaction to other things, etc. You can compare this to rack breaking in a game of eight-ball: all the balls interact, and a highly complicated formula probably could predict exactly where each of the balls would end. It's all logical and predictable, albeit extremely complicated. To a certain degree, you could say the very same is constantly going on on a way larger scale, determining all the courses of existance. That's the world we as humans live in.
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Yes. But to say that things "are written" and "meant to be" is basically like raping that theory. You know what I mean.
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Well, that depends on whether you mean "written" and "meant to be" in a metaphorical or in a divine context. I strongly disagree with the latter, but you could make a case for the first. That's basically just because all things come from somewhere, and their status is a reaction to everything else. Butterfly effect theories and such.
--- Quote from: 7even on April 04, 2008, 06:59:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on April 04, 2008, 11:04:45 AM ---And yes, the environment obviously does influence who you are as a person. Great inventions become possible only after someone else made some other inventions first. It's a social environment you're born in, that determines your culture, your language and all the things you get in touch with. That's where you learn. That's what determines what happens to your genes, and how they evolve into a person.
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Of course. Still, I think our genes have significantly more influence on us than our environment does.
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--- Quote from: 7even on April 04, 2008, 06:59:22 PM ---
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on April 04, 2008, 11:04:45 AM ---One aspect of all of this should not be overlooked. Amidst all the influences, at the end of the day, you're still a human being. Human beings have a thinking faculty. They reason. No matter how comforting the thought of not being responsible for the things that happen in your life might be, the fact is that you're a thinking human being, and your thinking does influence the things you do. The things you do, influence what happens. Your life isn't totally beyond your control. Don't act like it is - don't back out of responsibility, because your life will become a mysterious misery if you practice what such beliefs preach.
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To be honest, I think that point is stronly connected to the one before. Genes and environment. We, as human beings, DO reason.. but come the fuck on. If you were some random nigga born in Panama, you would not be doing whatever the heck you are doing right now. Especially not if you were also dumb as fuck, 5'0'', female and 230lbs on top of that. Genes DO mean a FUCKING lot.
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There's potential geniusses born in Africa every day, but we don't hear from them. They don't get a chance to develop. That's their environment fucking with them.
Why, being dumb as fuck is merely a state of not properly having learned to cope with the world. Being clueless. Someone who's really born with a great capacity for intelligence, will find his own way through a lot of every day things. Just don't expect young kids to know deeper mathematics when they've never been in touch with a math book. Don't expect them to grasp philosophy, when theoretical philosophy is kept far away from them in every day life. They may grasp some very intelligent things by themselves, but you definately do need a fertile environment to get anywhere. That's how the cognitive faculty works. The greatest machine wouldn't work without power. The greatest brain doesn't function without stimuli.
Being 230lbs is another thing that may seem very much genetic, but honestly, don't you think food patterns and physical exercise are rather much culturally determined?
At the end of the day, it's a mixture of influences that determines who we are and what we do. The most fanatical religion might tell you to turn off your reasoning capacity and hand it over to some god, but that can't fully stop the fact that you're a reasoning human being with senses and a cognitive faculty. Such influences can strongly corrupt the way you perceive every day life, but it cannot stop you from perceiving. People who live in environments without the right stimuli, still won't really get far by just relying on their genes. At the same time, there's lots of idiots born in prosperous countries with plenty libraries. That's either their genes keeping them down, or their environment stopping them from making that small step towards gathering that knowledge.
7even:
I don't think there's a real difference between the brain and other parts of the body, except that the brain is a lot more complex. Just as there are people with the physical potential to become NBA stars and people who could never even come close to do that even if they dedicate their lives to it, there are people with more brain capacity and people with less; and that is all based on genetics. The environment can be helpful or hurtful in regards of developping the potential, but the potential as such is purely based on genetics. I hate people who think that everybody could be a genius if only raised right. That's like saying everybody could play tennis like Federer if raised that way. What a load of crap.
Like when your ass is saying:
--- Quote ---Being 230lbs is another thing that may seem very much genetic, but honestly, don't you think food patterns and physical exercise are rather much culturally determined?
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It doesn't just seem genetic, it is. Of course, with a different personality and environment, some people tend to be more or less likely to be that way. No question about that. Still, there are people who could eat exactly what I eat and turn out completely different after a few months or even weeks. Most people tend to underrate genetics, because it hurts them that they are not in full control, they feel like robots. They rather believe that everything is up to them and they can be anything they want to be and whatever else retarded stuff they want to think.
Which brings me to my next point. Even things like traits, whims or even the entire personality of someone is mostly based on genetics. One would then argue that certain experiences and such can shape a person. Which of course is true... but the way you react towards stuff that happens to you... even towards parental treatment and such... again has its roots in the genes you are born with.
Bottom line: Just because a lot of stuff affects your character, your potential, your life etc, the very basis of who you are still lies in your genes. A potential NBA player who doesn't get proper nutrition and training because he lives in a fucked up environment has of course a very different life compared to LeBron James... I'm aware of that, so don't get it twisted. I'm not under-estimating environment at all.
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