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Australian Bastard:
I reckon mindless devotion is blasphemy, Jesus and Buddha never said just do whatever I say because im a higher authority, nah they all said something to the same effect as 'follow no man, haver your own plan, expand your mind'. I think reason, personal morales and enlightenment are things that need to be cultivated, you can't just pray and light your candles and expect an angel of illumination to appear in a puff of radiant white light and bestow upon you clear thinking and righteous thought, fuck no...its an everyday job muthafuckers.
Elevz:
--- Quote from: Ghost Fiendi on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 PM ---I reckon mindless devotion is blasphemy, Jesus and Buddha never said just do whatever I say because im a higher authority, nah they all said something to the same effect as 'follow no man, haver your own plan, expand your mind'.
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Well, since they are higher authorities, surely they know better than any other man including yourself, don't they? Wouldn't it then be wise to follow them regardless, because you (somehow) know that they are right? I don't see the blasphemy in blindly following that which you consider sacred.
--- Quote from: Ghost Fiendi on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 PM ---I think reason, personal morales and enlightenment are things that need to be cultivated, you can't just pray and light your candles and expect an angel of illumination to appear in a puff of radiant white light and bestow upon you clear thinking and righteous thought, fuck no...its an everyday job muthafuckers.
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Ah, now that's the practical side of things. Jesus and Buddha don't speak to you in person. Then of what influence are they, except for that they (somehow) are, without being able to reach you and guide you and do anything?
Reason, personal morales and enlightenment are things that need to be cultivated; you just thought of a nice metaphor to make it seem as if they're (somehow) bigger than human life. Go right ahead and follow your Jesus and Buddha, if that seems to tell you that you must live according to your nature. I'm right there with you, only then without the metaphor.
In fact, have a prop. Because I feel like it.
Australian Bastard:
Cheers for the prop mate. Although, I can tell where you are coming from, I find your interpretation of my words rigid and overly rationalistic. However, it is not lost on me that you may find my words, in turn, overly mystic, obscure and of very little literal substance, but that my friend is for a reason, because Im describing something that I would not be treating correctly to literally describe and categorize.
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghost Fiendi on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 PM ---I reckon mindless devotion is blasphemy, Jesus and Buddha never said just do whatever I say because im a higher authority, nah they all said something to the same effect as 'follow no man, haver your own plan, expand your mind'.
--- End quote ---
Well, since they are higher authorities, surely they know better than any other man including yourself, don't they? Wouldn't it then be wise to follow them regardless, because you (somehow) know that they are right? I don't see the blasphemy in blindly following that which you consider sacred.
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The thing is, Buddha, Jesus, Zeus, Yahweh whoever, whatever, the great indescribable is not higher than, or below anything, it is everywhere it simply is. Jesus or Buddha, or Zen dosn't invite a following because of a perception of being a higher authority or 'the right thing to follow' for a human being (although it does in reality, that is, culture and religion, but they are the sociological aftershocks, besides that), they invite attention because of what they are, they speak to something in people, they touch on something intrinsic within people. And this dosn't necessarily have to come from an established spiritual outlet or religion, it may come from anywhere, anything. The predecessor of science was ancient mysticism. Ever since man wanted to know 'wtf'. Now, if I read something Buddha says and it dosn't strike a chord with me, what do I do? Do I swallow it because Buddha said some good things before so by implication everything else he says must be right and should be followed? No son, its like looking at art, you gotta use your own faculties to determine what is good and bad or without categorization. Therefore, I don't actually follow anything, but I do seek understanding.
Where there is great doubt,
there will be great awakening;
small doubt, small awakening,
no doubt, no awakening.
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ghost Fiendi on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 PM ---I think reason, personal morales and enlightenment are things that need to be cultivated, you can't just pray and light your candles and expect an angel of illumination to appear in a puff of radiant white light and bestow upon you clear thinking and righteous thought, fuck no...its an everyday job muthafuckers.
--- End quote ---
Ah, now that's the practical side of things. Jesus and Buddha don't speak to you in person. Then of what influence are they, except for that they (somehow) are, without being able to reach you and guide you and do anything?
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Its the written word. Words reach people through the ages. And even without words, people wake up and see the clouds, feel the wind.
Buddha don't have to be here holding my hand because I hold my own brain.
I gotta tell what I feel, I gotta talk about my life as I see it.
-NOTORIOUS B.I.G, 'Kick in the door'.
--- Quote from: Eleven 2 Three on May 01, 2008, 03:32:27 AM ---Go right ahead and follow your Jesus and Buddha, if that seems to tell you that you must live according to your nature. I'm right there with you, only then without the metaphor.
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Word, (I've had this same convo before), Buddha's way is a way that really cannot be followed if you follow it. Their words are not really meant to be followed, instead, reflected upon, and from there you yourself must determine what you do next, otherwise if you just follow the words, you are really perverting the word's intent. Im just using Buddha as an example tho, i read lots of stuff, you gotta.
If you have never taken
the principles of the teachings to heart,
you have no basis
for awakening to the hidden path
-Kui-shan Ling-yu
A master's handiwork cannot be measured
But still priests wag their tongues explaining the "Way"
and babbling about "Zen."
This old monk has never cared for false piety
And my nose wrinkles at the dark smell of incense
before the Buddha.
-Ryusai.
Anyway, thats the perfect solution to the world's problems, however it probably isn't the most immediately practical, not everybody can afford to conduct life as a spiritual quest. Most people basically don't or can't afford to give a shit. For that matter, I agree, people need higher authorities and sometimes they need direction and mutherfuckers telling them what to do and what is reality, it is only justified because of practicality, but I hope and promote in my own way for a world more in the manner to where people can be their own emancipation and guiding light.
Summer grasses
all that remains of soldiers great imperial dreams
Lazar:
This world is so fucking sick :'(
Lanothegreat:
WHY DO U GUYS THINK THE WORLD IS LIKE THIS????????/
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