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Religion Is When PPL Pick and choose the parts to follow
Narrator:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 15, 2008, 12:51:15 AM ---
If I wanted to attack athiests I could point out that most of the worlds most evil were not god fearing men and attacked religion because they saw themselves as being god!.
Lenin
Stalin
Marx
Just to name three so I think it's ignorant and uneducated of you to attack religion when athiesm has driven death and destruction to. I am not attacking athiests I am just pointing out that this idea that religion is to blame is absolute bullshit. Christianity has been hijacked by fake christians who are using the beliefs of christians and then twisting them in order to establish and manipulate to empower themselves.
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Lumping communists and atheists together is a bit stupid for two reasons:
(1.) Communists are, frankly, atheist only superficially. Marxism basically IS a religion in the sense that it revolves around dogma (namely, Das Kapital and any other works by Marx and Engels) and is every bit as irrational, unsubstantiated, and intolerant of freethought as most religions have always been. No matter how "scientific" Marx claimed his ideas were, the simple fact is that to adopt communism is to adopt a system of belief...the same thing anyone does when they join a particular religion. Stalin and Mao did not kill millions for atheism; they killed for the belief system of Marxism.
(2.) Only a small fraction of the world's atheists are communists, or have been communists, so to associate the communism's murderous legacy with atheism doesn't make sense. On the other hand, anyone who is Christian or Muslim is automatically associating themselves with the legacy of murder that are part of those religions' history, as well as the doctrine they espouse. The Catholic Church of today, for instance, claims descent from the medieval Roman Church that was responsible for millions of killings in the name of Jesus Christ, so anyone who is a practicing Catholic today automatically associates themselves with this bloody legacy.
Elevz:
^^ That's the best post I've ever seen you make. Props.
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 05, 2008, 08:33:57 PM ---but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?
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I hope you're aware that atheists do not believe in dualism?
7even:
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 05, 2008, 08:33:57 PM ---but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?
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Soul? What soul? Fuck outta here. Your chink ass has about as much soul as that annoying ass dog of my friend that's barking at me even though I visit on a regular since he's born..
For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.
Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: It Takes Eleven on June 06, 2008, 10:12:40 AM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 05, 2008, 08:33:57 PM ---but how can the atheist explain where ur soul goes after death?
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I hope you're aware that atheists do not believe in dualism?
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LOL, please remember that LooN3y once called Africa a "country", so you can't expect him to understand even this much.
As far as the mind-body problem goes, we have no idea what science will solve in the future. Personally (speaking as an atheist), I think it will eventually be solved - we'll figure out exactly how the mind works (since the brain itself is a physical machine) and develop a way to preserve it so that it can be restored later. Death as we know it will be voluntary after that.
Shit, consider this: What if "heaven" (as theists call it) will simply be our distant ancestors (thousands, or millions of years from now) finding a way to resurrect all of us who live now, in the present, so that we can live in a happier, more stable future than what we know now? It seems impossible to imagine such a thing happening, but remember, we can never know the limits of science. That's what makes it so wonderful.
Narrator:
--- Quote from: 7even on June 06, 2008, 10:15:49 AM ---For the record I'm an atheist and I'm clearly more moral/nice/helpful than the average Christian or Muslim. Especially those adolescent muslim turks who immigrate to Germany, don't eat swine and shit, yet can be the biggest pieces of shit to come across.
Another point is, that acting "good" just for the sake of getting rewarded by God is not exactly noble... but I've had those discussions uncountable times in the past, I'm tired of it. So I stop.
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As a fellow atheist, I agree wholeheartedly. Personally, I think human beings would have far more respect for their fellow humans' lives if they didn't think that killing them would send them to a non-existent deity in a non-existent "heaven". Way too many Christians I meet always talk about how religion has been the "glue" holding civilization together and how they're afraid humanity would descend into chaos if nobody feared the consequences of their actions when they die. I say...what a bunch of fucking bullshit. Like you've said, it doesn't represent purity of heart, only purity of action. And the amount of blood in Christianity's history demonstrates just how superficial it all is. Actually, most of the humanitarian values that the modern religious right claims to represent are, frankly, a product of modern Western Enlightenment thinking...NOT theology.
And I'm also sick of hearing theists point to the crimes of the communists during the 20th century as proof that "atheism" is as dangerous as religion.
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