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lets no mince words,Takeover was better than Ether
ImmortalOne:
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So this is how you construct your opinions, you ask other people what they think?....Im also sure u personally know all the rappers and their opinions, I personally saw a show on the beef where people in the industry where all being politiclly correct saying that "right now both are on top" all I heared in NASz favour was from DJz who said "super ugly" wasn't really on par, But when I speak on the beef I refer to TAKEOVER, I also think JAY never even needed to drop "Super Ugly" cause he already had it locked.
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Oh please. I never thought Takeover was all that anyway, and when Nas dropped Ether, I knew it was all over. Even before all the votes were called in to hot 97', before the general consensus said Nas won, before Damon Dash/Jigga tried to pull that bitch move at Summer Jam [boycotting Nas from performing Ether]...before ALL that. The bottomline is, everything Jay said in Takeover was fictional, or half truth at best.....most of what Nas said in Ether was most definatly true. In addition to all that, Jay lost brownie points with me when said "If I Aint better than Big, im the closest one" and when he told Nas that only streets cats were feelin X and Pac......so no, I dont base my opinions on what other people think. It just so happens my opinion on THIS matter happens to agree with the majority.
HBKid_Jr:
if anything jay jacked his style from big L
I TO DA GEEZY:
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. The bottomline is, everything Jay said in Takeover was fictional, or half truth at best.....most of what Nas said in Ether was most definatly true. In addition to all that, Jay lost brownie points with me when said "If I Aint better than Big, im the closest one" and when he told Nas that only streets cats were feelin X and Pac......so no, I dont base my opinions on what other people think. It just so happens my opinion on THIS matter happens to agree with the majority.
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First of all, if we're talking about facts( a thing that shouldn't be the defining factor in dis trackz- u should know this u prefer "ether") TAKEOVER takes it by far, ETHER was mostlly childish jabs and some facts JAY never even tried to denie...Takeover actually put on the table what many NAS fans were feeling under the surface, while somehow mannaging to denie it. The FACT NAS was inconsistent, The FACT- Illmatic was his only sucsess, The FACT- all of what NAS has been rapping at the time were mostlly gimmicks to keep his fans in denile while reminding them he was the one to once drop ILLMATIC,among others. Jay din't even feel the need to spend the whole track on pointless childish disses, like NAS did on ETHER, He simply came wit FACTz.
ImmortalOne:
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First of all, if we're talking about facts( a thing that shouldn't be the defining factor in dis trackz- u should know this u prefer "ether") TAKEOVER takes it by far, ETHER was mostlly childish jabs and some facts JAY never even tried to denie...Takeover actually put on the table what many NAS fans were feeling under the surface, while somehow mannaging to denie it. The FACT NAS was inconsistent, The FACT- Illmatic was his only sucsess, The FACT- all of what NAS has been rapping at the time were mostlly gimmicks to keep his fans in denile while reminding them he was the one to once drop ILLMATIC. Jay din't even feel the need to spend the whole track on pointless childish disses, like NAS did on ETHER, He simply came wit FACTz.
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Ok everyone, watch carefully as Razor destroys Geezy's argument effortlessly. *clears throat*
First off, Jigga didnt spit ANY facts in Takeover whatsoever.
The things you claim to be fact, I hate to say it, ARENT fact, but an opinion.
Nas being inconsistant is a fact?? WROOOOONG!!!!!!! That is an opinion. Illmatic = 5 mics, It Was Written = 4 mics, I Am = 4 mics, Nastradamus = 3 mics, Stillmatic = 4.5 mics.......if you ask me, thats pretty consistant. Nas has made ONE sub-par album, while Jay has made at least 3 or 4 sub par albums. And on top of that, Illmatic shits all over ANY of Jay's albums anyday of the week.
Illmatic was his only success?? Um, wrong AGAIN. Illmatic is his most critically acclaimed album, but to say its his only success is just stupid, since its actually his lowest selling album.
Nas raps about gimmicks?? Pleeeeeeeeeeasssse!!! What the hell do you think Jay Z raps about?? He raps about how much dough he has, what kind of car he drives, and how much ice he wears, with an OCCASIONAL deep song. Nas is a far less gimmicky rapper than Jigga is. Jay Z is only good for making commercial songs.
And Takevover is better than Ether as an overall song?? How?? Lyrically?? No way. Ether is 10 x nicer lyrically. Production? Maybe so. Takeover definatly had nice production, but other than that, its not that great of a song [though the diss to Mobb Deep was good, but his lines against Nas, in his own words, were LAAAAAAAAMMMMEEE!!!!!]
c'mon Geezy, I know you can do better than this.....you're not gonna let me win this easily are you??
HBKid_Jr:
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[though the diss to Mobb Deep was good, but his lines against Nas, in his own words, were LAAAAAAAAMMMMEEE!!!!!]
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fuck jay if peeps knew tha whole deal on it they would look at it completely differently but since im a mobb deep fan no1 will believe me. now if jay wanted to diss nas good he should dwell on tha fact of how much of a hypocrit nas is.
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