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NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA... I changed my mind

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--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---^ It's a two part system because one of those two parties always wins, every time, every election in the last 100 or so years. I don't like the system, but I'm speaking to the situation.

The system is really only designed to give two options. It's not really the peoples fault. It's the system.
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So how did they design the system, to make it that way? There could be three major parties, there could be five, there could be just one. The system does not determine any of that. Now, it is true that the US political system is rather ridiculous when you look at the way votes are counted and the differences between states, but the fact that the US is reigned by two big political parties, is merely to be blamed on the voters. They could decide to vote differently. As long as they don't, there surely won't be a change in the political landscape.


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---How much has Obama spent? Over a 100 million? That's an insane amount of money. The system is built so only the two major parties can even raise enough money to compete.
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Utterly wrong. Bill Gates could decide to start supporting a libertarian, and with a good program, they could deliver the next president. The fact is, that a lot of people are being too ignorant to look further into politics than that which FoX shows them. That's the reason why they need such large chunks of money, to be able to afford a proper campaign. You can blame that on the system all you want, but it's simply the workings of your every day capitalistic world. Politicians have to buy air time and spend money on a lot of things for promotion. Such things are expensive, for a good reason. There's no reason why the next president would have to be a Democrat or a Republican - the system has jack shit to do with this. The fact is that Democrats and Republicans up until now have been better than any other political party at the game of getting the media, and thus the people, behind them.


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---In Canada (for example) theirs a party spending cap. Each party in a federal electron can only spend around 2 million dollars. So we can have many parties, and many people who can raise and spend to that cap. A more then two party system needs a spending cap. The dems spend hundreds millions, the repubs spend hundreds millions. What chance does a 3rd party have which can raise only a few million? It's all about money. Give me 10 million, give you 100,000$, I don't care who you are, I'll get more votes. Money buys elections, and the 3rd parties can't compete.
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A spending cap? As in, you're not allowed to spend your money on that which you deem right? As in, we're forcing you to cut down, to let the meek have a chance? A spending cap, as the ultimate socialist tool to burn down every seed that finds fertile soil? Don't be a winner, because that would be too hard on the losers? A spending cap, to let the bureaucracy take over control of what should be allowed and what not?

You wonder what chance a third party has, when it can only raise a fraction of the amount of money the two big parties can spend. Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason why these third parties aren't getting major funds? That they're systematically lagging behind, aiming for small target groups, thus making it impossible for themselves to get the entire nation, or even half of it, behind them? They're uninteresting for investors, because the money goes to a lost cause anyway. The day when third parties are ready for political power, there will be people to support them. Until then, it's a ridiculous notion to blame the two major parties for spending more money than the smaller parties. They have the right to do so. Now that's what a free democracy works like.


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---
--- Quote ---I just don't see the logic behind the assumption that another vote for someone with a shit load of votes already would make a big difference
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The logic is dependent on where you live. If you live in Hawaii, who you vote for doesn't matter, either way. If you live in Texas and you vote Dem, it doesn't matter because it's a "red" state, and probably will always will. But if you live in Ohio, or Florida, you're vote matters. Look at 2000, Nader rolled in the votes in Florida, and lost Gore the election. One state cost them the election. If enough people vote for the 3rd party, in a close state, it's all over. One person's vote isn't important. But  if a lot of people feel that same way, the wrong person will win. The point I'm making is, Obama or McCain will win. Make your vote count. Voting for a 3rd party won't solve anything, and won't fix the system. Their will never be a three part system in our life times. You need to bit your tongue, and vote for one of the front runners.
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The ridiculousness of the voting system in the US needs no further explanation, yet precisely through keeping these two major parties big, you're helping them prevent a change from ever occuring. As long as they don't have to consider any other political opposition, they're perfectly safe keeping things as they are.
Ask yourself, what difference does it make whether Obama or McCain enters the white house. While McCain might cause more damage overall, I don't expect Obama to be a lot better. So the choice is between a marginal difference (Obama vs McCain) and an attempt to overthrow the two-party rule. The latter won't happen straight away, and Obama or McCain will still become president, but the simple fact is that more people need the awareness that there's more options beside the basic two. Anyone's voting for a third party will help achieve just that. In other words... Don't vote for a winner - instead, vote for who you actually support. That's the only way to support them.


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---And I wouldn't say Obama is evil, he's part of the system. The system is evil, not Obama.
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If the system is evil, and Obama readily and willingly submits to that system, what does that make him? And what does that make you, for neglecting such facts?


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---McCain on the other hand, I would say is an evil person. Or Bush. Their war mongers, and have a very ignorant view of society outside of America. The country would be a lot better of with Obama, and millions of people voting for a 3rd party is just going to cost him the election.
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Yes! It might cost him the election! But millions of people will have put a third party on the map. Imagine for the elections, a third party finally stepping up with big plans, ready to make a real change... That's what sacrificing Obama's presidency might just achieve. IF the third parties are ready, that is...


--- Quote from: The King of Mitt Romney's Fan Club on May 26, 2008, 09:07:35 PM ---I completely agree with your post, but the fact is, it's Obama or McCain, Repubs v Dems, and it always will be, no matter what we do. So pick the person you think is best qualified.
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Pessimist. :P

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GOBAMA!

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