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I see the high gas prices as a sign America lost the war in Iraq

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TraceOneInfinite:
To understand America's current war in Iraq, it may be useful to make not of America's first war abroad.

After winning it's Independence from the British, America's first war was an effort to control the  trade routes along the Mediterranean sea.  The despised paying tribute to the Kings of North African countries such Libya and Morocco for access rights to trade along North Africa.  So they figured rather than paying these regions to trade along THEIR borders that it would be cheaper to take those trade routes by force. 

In the short term, they failed.  The wars were hugely expensive, and America had limited success.  However, in the long term, America was trading along the Mediterranean without the burden of paying tribute to gain access to it.

I see this current war the same way.  America didn't want to have to pay full price for Middle Eastern oil, and thought it would be cheaper to take it by force.  They have initially failed on this assumption and it's objective.  The resistance has been fierce in Iraq, and even today Shiite clerics such as Muqtada Al Sadr and Al-Sistani have still not yet been humbled by the United States.  They are still major power players and fierce in their opposition to America's long term subjugation of the region.

Maybe in the long run, America will continue to Iraqi and Middle Eastern oil at a bargain price as a result of this war, much cheaper than working with Sadaam......  However, in the short term they have lost the war and the high gas prices are an indication of this.

virtuoso:
Do you think the elite business men give a shit about the price of gas? do you think they have any loyalties towards america whatsoever when even Haliburton has moved to Dubai. They have found massive oil reserves throughout the world, the war was always going to lead to escalating oil prices but they have the oil fields, they can control the supply of oil. Don't get it twisted, those pipelines are under their control in fact that is the one part of Iraq they do give a shit about. This is about raping us but furthermore it's something I have already mentioned in a previous article, the oil keeps rising because the dollar keeps falling. What happens is one of two things, firstly concerning the devaluing crisis and that's what it is, inflation sets in because obviously it costs more to bring in the same amount of oil. Also people bail from having their investments tied up in the dollar and invest in oil instead. The continuous threat to the region engineered by the CIA and the troop presence mostly, leads to rampant speculation.

There was the dotcom bubble, the housing bubble now there is the oil bubble, all of them pop and in doing so allow for a firesale to be initiated, it's all a game. Nothing major happens in the world without it being pre planned first they are not my words they are roosevelts, i can't remember the exact quote although you can probably google it.

TraceOneInfinite:
No, I disagree with your post... and please try to confine your response to these bullet points because sometimes you touch on so many aspects its hard to follow one train of discussion....

-High gas prices ARE a concern, even for rich people.  Because they affect every aspect of the economy.  So even if you own Wall-Mart your business is going to be cut big time because you have to spend millions more to transport goods and services to and from your store.

-America may be controlling most the flow of oil in Iraq currently, however, the price of the war has probably been greater than Bush may have anticipated... therefore, they are receiving oil at a bargain (by stealing it) but if you factor in the cost it has taken to "steal it" it is no longer a bargain price.

-America wants a permanent foothold in Iraq so that they can control the flow of oil for many years to come, but Al-Sadr and Al-Sistani are determined that there will be "no longterm contract with America".

-Last point, what American bussinessman's interests are being served by destroying the American economy? 

Matty:
this might seem like a sweeping statement but oil is so old school. america should invest as much damn money as possible into getting some new fuel technologies into action asap. they might kill the environment less too. but then there wouldn't be an oil industry...hmm...

Turf Hitta:
^^^we already have the technology, but big oil is going to see to it that the proper infrastructure (hydrogen fueling stations, ethanol stations, natural gas stations, places to charge electric cars, etc) to support the move away from oil never gets built.

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