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I see the high gas prices as a sign America lost the war in Iraq
virtuoso:
My man I respect your outlook on things but I don't see things like that, by ensnaring so many in the credit traps, they have broken the back bone of the economy. If we are fortunate America will not experience a depression and instead we will just experience worldwide stagflation. Now this could be seen as a positive in some respects because it might lead to further impetus for state to be focusing on not being so dependent on outside sources for fuel and right now that's exactly where we are at. The major alternative to gas energy is nuclear power and I know many advocates of this technology but they can not answer one question what the hell is each nation going to do with it's current nuclear waste let alone a massive new influx, the idea banded around and circulating in popularity is to bury it underground but what the fuck are we doing to the surface of the earth by having such a method of storage.
I see the future right now and that's not in a mystical sense I mean from what has been announced, the pre conditioning towards carbon rationing cards, intrusive state control which is akin to slavery. It all goes back to the advert that I was pissed off about, the majority of the advert focused not on fossil fuels but instead attacking humanity itself, steady dehumanising. Look at the level of conditioning which we are already subjected to, all of the totalitarian controls which have been and intend to be implemented get sniggered at because of the use of the word totalitarian but that is exactly what these control mechanisms are. The bigger goal is about acceptance to being raped and that acceptance is brought about by selling a collective on an idea or a perception which you can convince the collective can make a difference.
We are dependent on oil, it's being used as a weapon right now, it's a concerted co-ordinated effort, the war has done it's job, decreased general wealth. brought about further dependency, increased the wealth and power of a select few and left people on tenterhooks as to where things will go next. If America or Israel is psychotic enough to attack Iran directly or launch some kind of fake terror attack and then one of the two attacks Iran, you are looking at the price of oil rocketing far and beyond $300 a barrel.
So I must therefore ask what is this new source of energy? because if it exists and works too well and is too plentiful, then it's going to be shutdown. This isn't about oil being scarce, that's just the simplistic bullshit which they try and sell the average person who never reads on. It's nothing to do with the demand from China again these are just the ready made reasons, the outskirts of the perimeter reasons, the dollar going into the toilet because of a deliberate and continual campaign of outsourcing, printing money at 16% increase in the money supply and a whole host of other reasons and the massive speculation bubble is fueling the oil prices.
The dollar is kept afloat at the moment by the fact that it's the world reserve currency but as the dollar keeps falling, dollar dependent nations will abandon their pegs and then things will get really interesting. As for the title of the thread George Orwell said it best when he concluded that the purpose of war was to destroy the surpluses of the world therefore maintaining the hierarchy of power. It doesn't matter to the chess players how many american soldiers die, how many iraqis are killed, shit they didn't give a damn about iraqi lives during the so called oil for food program either.
Corporate Hustler:
You guys are missing the bigger picture. Don't think of oil merely as fuel.
The State Department in 1944(!): "oil has a stupendous source of strategic power, and is one of the greatest material prizes in world history."
Dick Cheney: "the country that controls Middle East oil can exercise a stranglehold over the global economy"
James Paul (Global Policy Forum): "Modern warfare particularly depends on oil, because virtually all weapons systems rely on oil-based fuel - tanks, trucks, armored vehicles, self-propelled artillery pieces, airplanes, and naval ships. For this reason, the governments and general staffs of powerful nations seek to ensure a steady supply of oil during wartime, to fuel oil-hungry military forces in far-flung operational theaters. Such governments view their companies' global interests as synonymous with the national interest and they readily support their companies' efforts to control new production sources, to overwhelm foreign rivals, and to gain the most favorable pipeline routes and other transportation and distribution channels."
Australian Bastard:
^Word. I think we all seeing that though, its all about supply and demand like Machavelli said. I was for the most part incredibly high upon my last post......
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 29, 2008, 12:52:43 PM ---My man I respect your outlook on things but I don't see things like that, by ensnaring so many in the credit traps, they have broken the back bone of the economy. If we are fortunate America will not experience a depression and instead we will just experience worldwide stagflation. Now this could be seen as a positive in some respects because it might lead to further impetus for state to be focusing on not being so dependent on outside sources for fuel and right now that's exactly where we are at. The major alternative to gas energy is nuclear power and I know many advocates of this technology but they can not answer one question what the hell is each nation going to do with it's current nuclear waste let alone a massive new influx, the idea banded around and circulating in popularity is to bury it underground but what the fuck are we doing to the surface of the earth by having such a method of storage.
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Nuclear power I think we will be forced to depnd more upon, although the last Australian election was kind of a referendum on the use of nuclear power as John Howard presented it as the only viable alternative to fossil fuels, and anti-nuclear sentiment is strong in Australia, whenever US war ships come into Tasmania they are hounded by protesters as they are partly nuclear powered, also the Australian outback was being sold by Howard as a dumping ground for nuclear waste, he lost the election and it would be hard for any future government to sell the idea again to the Australian electorate. But regardless it is probably going to have to be utilized out of necessity. But that does not mean alternative renewable energy should not be the primary focus of redevelopment. I believe this opportunity for self-reliance will not only be about only renewable energy though, it has been and is increasinlgy mental and philosophical as people are and will begin to increasingly see and become increasingly conscious of mainstream political, religious and institutional hypocrisy, that I believe is a product of the increasing globalisation, and 'the war on terror' was an attempt' to bring people back into the fold of the mainstream paradigm of thinking.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 29, 2008, 12:52:43 PM ---I see the future right now and that's not in a mystical sense I mean from what has been announced, the pre conditioning towards carbon rationing cards, intrusive state control which is akin to slavery. It all goes back to the advert that I was pissed off about, the majority of the advert focused not on fossil fuels but instead attacking humanity itself, steady dehumanising. Look at the level of conditioning which we are already subjected to, all of the totalitarian controls which have been and intend to be implemented get sniggered at because of the use of the word totalitarian but that is exactly what these control mechanisms are. The bigger goal is about acceptance to being raped and that acceptance is brought about by selling a collective on an idea or a perception which you can convince the collective can make a difference.
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Well the way humanity conducts itself is a problem, that is why changes in attitudes towards consumption and personal use are essential for a decrease of domestic reliance on fossil fuels. But not just that, people consume and fiend too much, it ain't good for the soul. I joined Greenpeace recently, solely based on my opposition to Japanese whalers, no more no less (although I emphasis with a number of the organization's concerns). As I said, nothing can change solely through institutions or government, there are individual responsibilies in regards to what we take from the Earth. You see it as alot of conditioning, maybe it is, fear mongerering and spin, but alot of that spin is often necessary for promotional purposes, for impact. I agree that people are subject to mass totalitarian manipulation, but as I said, there must be an increasing awakening of people's individual faculties to determine what is art and what is rubbish and ulterior spin. Our Australian advertisements are not so full-on, conserve water because there is a drought, conserve electricity, etc.
However, I understand your concerns.
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us [all of humanity], we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena constitute a common threat which as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."
-from Mihajlo Mesarovic and Eduard Pestel, Mankind at the Turning Point: The Second Report to The Club of Rome (1974).
I see increasing world government as the trend, however, is it automatically good or bad? Nothing is ever so easily categorized my friend.
But Ive told my history professor; "in 50 years time, all you historians and poltical science academics will be scrambling to catch up with the internet conspiracy theorists".
The government here right now does not want to cut the tax on fuel, which the oppostion party is using to their advantage, simply because if it does, it will do nothing but delay the inevitable, that fuel use will increasingly become the domain of military and business use and decreasingly less that of the civilian domestic. Once again, that is why people themselves have an opportunity to develop self reliance and convservation. I think you see it as an attack, whereas I see it as an opportunity, a necessary opportunity. Western society will stagnate and wealth will decrease, hard times are ahead there will be quite a dip, but out of that may be born a greater sense of self-confidence and self-reliance a greater sense of conservation.
I got fam in the Philippines thoug and non of this shit is troubling them, they live at such a level that stock-market, interest rates, currency and world economy have little impact on their local way of life. When you are living so basic such troubles have little bearing. Life goes on somewhere, someplace.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 29, 2008, 12:52:43 PM ---
We are dependent on oil, it's being used as a weapon right now, it's a concerted co-ordinated effort, the war has done it's job, decreased general wealth. brought about further dependency, increased the wealth and power of a select few and left people on tenterhooks as to where things will go next. If America or Israel is psychotic enough to attack Iran directly or launch some kind of fake terror attack and then one of the two attacks Iran, you are looking at the price of oil rocketing far and beyond $300 a barrel.
So I must therefore ask what is this new source of energy? because if it exists and works too well and is too plentiful, then it's going to be shutdown. This isn't about oil being scarce, that's just the simplistic bullshit which they try and sell the average person who never reads on. It's nothing to do with the demand from China again these are just the ready made reasons, the outskirts of the perimeter reasons, the dollar going into the toilet because of a deliberate and continual campaign of outsourcing, printing money at 16% increase in the money supply and a whole host of other reasons and the massive speculation bubble is fueling the oil prices.
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Ive agreed with you on the ramifications you just mentioned. The most who are being affected now is us, the middle class in the west and the working poor, but that is not to say that upper class business owners will not experience the bite. But I disagree, demand of oil is part of the 'problem' and its always something anyway, there is always a problem so long as we associate personal enjoyment of life with consumption.
I don't think there will be any more deliberate attempts to exacerbate the situation in the Middle east atleast from the US or Israel. Because the effects are already too heavy...at least not until the price of oil stabilises, they are nuts, but not so nuts as to utterly decimate the West's economy, then what could they tax then? How you going to tax an income when people don't have incomes? That is why you suddenly have peace talks again between Israel and their neighbours and Bush again making half-assed claims of working towards peace, economy determines what these people do more than anything.
I alluded to this 'new source of energy' when I posted the article on the ex-defence minister calling for the release of the alien technology. Of course I dunno if such a thing exists, but as I said, if they did, it would make sense that they would have it and are holding onto it and not sharing with humanity (the proper Luciferian thing to do would be to release it!)
--- Quote from: virtuoso on May 29, 2008, 12:52:43 PM ---The dollar is kept afloat at the moment by the fact that it's the world reserve currency but as the dollar keeps falling, dollar dependent nations will abandon their pegs and then things will get really interesting. As for the title of the thread George Orwell said it best when he concluded that the purpose of war was to destroy the surpluses of the world therefore maintaining the hierarchy of power. It doesn't matter to the chess players how many american soldiers die, how many iraqis are killed, shit they didn't give a damn about iraqi lives during the so called oil for food program either.
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Word. Orwell was very appropriate to draw upon. Your vision is commendable.
As I said, despite 'the Leviathan form', 'the Beast', 'the serpent, the deciever of the whole world' or whatever name you would ascribe to our system will probably remain in place until the gods wipe the slate clean, but til then, the best we can do is live a good life and that is of no minor worthiness. Thats my policy.
This is what should be done
By one who is skilled in goodness,
And who knows the path of peace:
Let them be able and upright,
Straightforward and gentle in speech.
Humble and not conceited,
Contented and easily satisified.
unburdened with duties and the frugal in their ways.
Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful,
Not proud and demanding in nature.
Let them not do the slightest thing
That the wise would later reprove.
-The Buddha's Words on Kindness (Metta Sutta)
dexter:
wrong
dexter:
--- Quote from: dexter on May 30, 2008, 07:16:49 AM ---wrong
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